this is a law that creates a freeloader problem. some people are going to say i want the benefits of the union but i don't want to pay and so i'm going to try to be a freeloader but long-term what that does is destroy the union's capacity to negotiate. >> it is like if i decided i don't like the republican leadership in the house i'm going to stop paying my taxes. >> eliot: that would be a nice option. they're not one they're giving to us because as part of a nation we all have to pay our taxes to contribute to the cost of the government. so because there is lesser union representation, you point out the power of workers is diminished. they're paid on averager $6,000 a year less in those states with right-to-work laws. >> yes. >> eliot: that's a huge and dramatic impact. what in terms of job growth has been the lesson learned if any? >> i think what a lot of states it in the south argue is a lot of companies toyota and other companies going to the south because it is cheaper to employ workers there. they're making a lot less and uni

. >> i'm not okay with freeloading. the max. neil: do you think this is a freeloading thing? two they shouldn't have to pay union dues. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] neil: with freeloading you get the benefits of everything. >> you can sue the unit for doing a bad job defending you. neil: you are such a good lawyer, i don't understand a word you're saying. >> what i will ask you is this. whether you are for or against this, the image is that michigan is going to be open for business. indiana is going to be open for business. it is the perception. it is all about getting business to your state. now, the 24 states have this feature. some with remarkably low unemployment rates. who wins? >> well, i think right now the unions are losing. for the first time since 2009, public perceptions over 50% had a disapproval rating of the unions. this is an isolated incident and most of these guys are not violating people. but most rightward states are getting the auto manufacturers that are coming into the country. the perception is that right work state is a more comp

absolutely inappropriate to say someone is a freeloader.le are hard-working people trying to make a living. if the union is offering them a value proposition, i don't see a michiganer hesitating to pay those dollars >> bill: i came close to calling that what it is. total b.s of course they are freeloaders. i have all of these people around me. they are paying their dues so we can get representation in the state legislature in the congress so we can work and get better retirement benefits, better vacation plans, better health benefits and all of that for their families. i get it for my family but i don't pay a damn dime. >> that's a freeloader by definition. rick snyder, i don't care what you are say you are not one tough nerd. you are one dumb-ass governor. how do we fight back? we got to fight back. >> i think there are at least three ways. we have to let them know what we think about this as a republican legislature. number 1, i think we have to try to get something on the ballot. first of all, to recall rick snyder in michigan and to rec

romney saying 47% of the country is a bunch of bums and freeloaders. people thinking he doesn't really mean that. once again, he's pandering to the group in front of him. and anything in a he case to reach -- anything that he takes to reach. chris: he's not that bad of guy. >> everything that sam said. can i? chris: you did. >> you can say it better. chris: you want to say it better? ok. mike. >> i think if there's -- race was about one thing it was about the size, shape and scope of government. that's what the real contest was about. and sandy, the hurricane, put that back on the table in a big way. do we need more or less and at moments like that, we need it. and that happened five days before the thing closed. and you could see obama's nine or 10 states, his numbers raised about a point and a half in his last five days. and i think that storm helped him a big deal. >> sandy is salls very, very important. -- is always very, very important. chris: better to be about fema than the i.r.s. if you're a democrat. who had the best year in 2012? chris: welco

why do people freeload? what you think you know, often is not so. myth and truth. that is our show. tonight. john: what you think you know, may not be so? we know what. we watch tv while good what we know not be so? our instincts are often wrong. when i was a consumer reporter i thought consumer regulation was the answer. rahm. it hurts america of more. i thought america was running out of fuel, overpopulation, made in america. wrong. >> majority leader harry reid is upset the usoc bought uniforms from china. >> they should be burned and start over again. john: people are desperate for jobs. isn't it outrageous we buy uniforms made overseas? no. in this stupid. let me bring in professional help. whnot to worry about sending work to other countries? >> a fundamental trade makes everybody off. it benefits both parties. john: they could have been made by american workers. >> but we are so much better at other things that making garments is not the comparative advantage. john: that is not a problem. those are factory jobs they're not so pleasant they're designed and marketed and sold an

watch helplessly as critical revenue dries up in organizations fracture under the weight of union freeloaders who have who now have the choice to not pay their union dues even though they benefit from being in a union coke's strategy can be summed up in one sentence this can happen in michigan and it can happen in any state and given what's happened organized labor all around america over the last several decades the takedown of michigan just a single signal the beginning of the end of labor unions as we know them well we can never write off the power of organized working people the trends are difficult to ignore beginning in the sixty's well actually largely and even in the fifty's after the wagner act was passed in forty's one hundred forty seven union representation in america began to decline but then it rapidly crashed after reagan moved into the white house and promptly busted up the air traffic controllers union patco in one thousand nine hundred one a third of the american workforce was unionize. forty years ago today it's just about a tenth and if you're looking at strictly a private

freeloaders. >> free riders. so people don't have to pay a share of the cost of representation.h a good, american idea. isn't that responsibility? >> bill: of course. if any state exemplifies what can be done when labor and management works together it is michigan and uaw and the big three. as you say. and rick snyder just breaking with that tradition. so congressman, what happens -- i have to say for current tv, this would not have happened if our current tv's jennifer granholm were still governor of michigan. >> absolutely. >> bill: right? >> absolutely. you know, it is such a step backward. it is such a step backward. it goes back 67 years. international relations act essentially said america's better off if workers have a voice. what made the middle class of michigan? >> bill: sure. union workers. >> where does the union movement go? this is a big blow. what should they learn from this going forward so this doesn't happen in other states because as i understand it, right-to-work laws are in about half the states. >> bill: now 24. michigan is 24. >> i think it means work hard

i.d.ndiana freeloader i voter >> they did not say all of those things -- >> let me finish. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. correct, but they will look to the indiana case. [indiscernible] >> i will cut your mike off, come on. >> what does it feel like -- i do not like that question. you are sitting there and people are prejudiced against you for being a black conservative. what is that like? is it hard to be in a situation like that. ? >> yes. most of the attacks i get are coming from black people. it is not coming from -- people think it would be from people who do not look like me. in situations like this, when i am in a predominately black, liberal environment, i get attacked viciously. it does not feel great. i will not sit there and be somebody's punching bag and not set the record straight about the reality of voter i.d. laws. what i was talking about in that clip is when the supreme court ruled and up held the indiana law, voter rolls went up, not down. the supreme court said, we do not think it will prevent minorities from v

. >> we're not talking about freeloaders or people sitting around.of this population works two or even three jobs. we're talking about the working poor. >> that said, dr. smitherman. there's an epidemiological claim to be made, even if they were freeloaders, there's a kind of human rights to health care. >> yes, of course. >> but i feel you. that's kind of the politics of it. >> that's the label of the republican gop party. they keep sago owe they're using these terms. they're incorrect actually. they're not accurate to the population we're talking about. >> absolutely. kenji, part of how we end up here, right, with this possibility of framing it this way is because of the carrot and stick issue. >> exactly. >> related to the tenth amendment and how the supreme court read aca on this. >> exactly. the tenth amendment says that any power that isn't explicitly given to the federal government falls back to the states. unless you can find the power that congress has and the laundry list of powers in article 1, section 8, that congress is not permitted to

the republicans in a panic passed the so-o-called right to work laws which, in fact, allow for freeloaderslet the union negotiate for them and then take advantage without todaying do yous. this was meant to weaken the unions and the unions are not happy about this. now they're going to lose five seats in the election in the legislature the republicans are, that's why they did that right before they leave office. they were angry than angrier than i was in the last segment and they had the americans for prosperity in the middle of them. it was the group funding the republican legislatures as they pass this law. they rip this tent down, as you can see there. there were fights angry words. michael shure is here with me. we'll talk about the politics of this. obviously tearing down the tent was a bad idea, it looks bad and fox news are able to say ha-ha, union thugs. what do you do? you have the legislature. they had the governor. they hatch this plot, as one of them explained the g.o.p. in michigan as we showed on the show yesterday, they hatched the plot in 2007. the minute we had enough repu

. >> to hear paul ryan take it, a sizable chunk of the american people are nothing but freeloaders, moochingff the productive folks at the top. that kind of talk made him the perfect partner for mitt romney, didn't it? but wait a minute, that was the old paul ryan, we've got a new and improved paul ryan and he's singing a much different tune. last night in his first address since the republican's defeat, romney gave some veiled criticism of his former running mate's 47% remarks by offering this. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >> but you didn't. ryan made those remarks at a tribute dinner to the late congressman jack kemp, adding, he's proud of the campaign he and romney ran. ryan's pivot toward compassionate conservatism and a call to action on helping the middle class was echoed by senator marco rubio of florida. he's in on it too. in fact, rubio mentioned the middle class, what, 35 times in his speech? but da

. >> jennifer: well, the president of your union calls the bill the freedom to freeload bill. what are you hearing from your colleagues? if unions are so important for teachers, why wouldn't they pay their dues? >> there's not a teacher in my union that would probably want to not be in the union. but times are really tough. we're making less this year than we made last year. and i know some of my colleagues are losing their homes. some of my colleagues are struggling to make their bills. and so it is not really a matter of whether or not they want to be in the union. it is a matter of whether they can afford to pay the union dues when they have the choice between paying the union dues or putting christmas presents under the tree for your kids. it is not that they don't want to pay their union dues, it is just they're forced into a position that, you know, hard to make a choice, a good choice. >> jennifer: but isn't that exactly what the republicans are arguing that teachers should get a choice on where their money goes. what's the response to that? >> well, teachers should hav

unions did it to make it fairer, wages better and coming in and freeload, that's not fair or what the american people are about. >> you know, there were a couple things in ron's report that jumped out at me. asking snyder, why not wait until january when you have the newly elected legislature and the answer is he wouldn't have the votes then. you have more democrats coming in. michigan's one of the states where there are pro-labor republicans left and you have a combination of a few republicans and a lot of democrats and they would have had the votes on paper to stop it in january. that's why there's the rush here and a quote i think from the labor person saying the death nail or the nail in the coffin for organized labor. the course here, not so fast, my friends. he is going to sign this tomorrow. snyder will sign it and michigan will be a right to work state and the status in limbo for two years and the question is how do democrats and the unions and how do the pro-union republicans pursue overturn this? and republicans acute in how they put together and appropriations bill and no a

. >> stupid freeloaders.d none of them are here filling our water glasses and parking our cars and recording this. someone please tell me they're not recording this. mitt romney. that's me. mitt romney. and finally probably most importantly, i learned what paul ryan looks like when he works out. he looks ridiculous. who works out in a baseball cap? that, my friends is what i learned in 2012. oh, and also this. ♪ gangnam style ♪ ♪ gangnam style

literally half the country, he said, well, i don't have to worry about those folks, those folks are freeloadersey're looking for a handout, they don't know how to learn personal responsibility. and think about who he -- these are the people he, one, hopes to lead, and two, you would think he would want their votes. and the next day, he doubled down on that. and then a week later, tried to pull it back. and so, for, i think, for the american people to see someone who wants to be president of the united states insult them, i think was -- that was a thing that put a lid on his -- >> probably not a good marketing strategy. this is something you don't see coca-cola doing. you know, coke adds life, but in your case, rather, we'd rather you die, so make everybody drink it. but maybe it's just not for you. people aren't going to buy coke. >> andrew ross sorkin wants it. >> i think the bigger issue this framed up and why it's so important is not just this past year, but going into this next year, is it reframed the inequality story in this country. you know, we talk about makers and we talk about takers

what this is a freedom to freeload is all this bill is about. unions.gan has never been required to join a union. you can opt out. you can pay your agency 15, which only covers that part of the association's cost of bargaining the contract, represent can non-members and those things that we have to provide. >> uh-huh. >> and they've always had that right. members have always had the right in michigan if they didn't like the union they were in they could switch, join another union or just have no union at all. >> that's always been there. this right to work legislation is far more nefarious than just what you will hear out of the republicans and freedom to choose. >> by the way, i have to say, you are absolutely right. this is -- this is just like what kasick tried to do, to i can bra the backs of the unions in order to break the back of main supporters of democratic candidates. not just democratic candidates but pro-working family candidates. >> sure. >> steve, you mentioned they have to tinker with this again tomorrow and then the governor will sign it

>> steve, your question -- >> i'm and freeload, by the way. >> that by the way is how the chinese would describe any relationship between japan and america. the interesting aspect of all these conflicts is that as india and china and india and china have a proximate geographically, but we've never been neighbors. >> right. >> in order to be neighbors you either have to love each other or hate each other. we have done neither. in fact, in 1962 during the first strategic conflict, between these two, you have to understand, it's hard to understand why we are not neighbors. [inaudible] in terms of inaccessible. but the positions, the lines, the strategies, the lines, what would they resonate to? the positions that are taken by postcolonial nations is that we will not be bound by decisions made by colonial powers. one, or in china's case, that we had to abandon our national positions. and now that we are strong, we need to resurrect them. right or wrong is not, that is very little to do with national positions. now, the words that were there in the title of today's discussion, confusion, i c

[laughter] >> pam is painting as a freeloader right along with her love.eans and bounties he said that there will be no fines, and no suspensions. the team mates, and it is over with, he found that the contract was a detrimental and did it could be justified with fines but the overturned the suspension. so all of this talk about monopolizing our time earlier. you delete a dark cloud over the same season. forget about it. it is all-america, stanford. andrew blog this year, it is zach erts.. according to the associated press. he played at danville and he should be a late first- round mcintyre is leaving san jose state to coach colorado. >> i see administration just like that ministers and i walked into. the athletic director, who would it hired me,, boeing and he wanted to get things done. >> he is not going to coach the ball game december 27th. it is a sad note because anytime somebody leaves it is easier to say something derogatory. and he is leaving. he is leaving san jose that we are not good enough but he is such a darn good guys. they have quadrupled h

they're giving anyone who brings their car in for the recall a freeloader but at this point they do notlem is. ford stock down today and gm's stock down on reports of bigger inventories of the gm trucks than they thought so not a good day for the automakers but a particularly bad day for ford until they get their arms around this problem. is only as some would say less than the one hundred thousand vehicles have been recalled and that is fairly small by recall standards but if you don't know what your problem is and this is the huge the important engine, is it running too hot? who knows what the problem is? at this point they don't know. if you have a 40 skate they give you a loner but don't tell you when you will get your car back because they don't know. ashley: very unusual to have a recall but had no clue what is causing the problem. interesting. jeff flock in chicago, thank you. tracy: chris kirk. let's turn to health care. the new health-care law forcing big changes across this sector including biotech. the next guest founded and run the quarter therapeutics, a maker of multiple s

this is letting people freeload by withholding -- you know, they don't have to pay and they get the samee: okay. carol in michigan. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi carol. >> caller: hi. i'm doing fine. i love your show. you guys are truly inspirational. i'm so glad you're on. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: yeah, hey, i have a couple of points to make. earlier, there was a comment made by a right wing guy who said that car companies didn't want to come to michigan because of the high union wages. well there's been a two-tier wage system in place for about five or six years where the new employees actually make half of what the older employees have. so there's like a -- two contracts within one contract. and -- >> stephanie: by the way isn't another -- foreign car company is coming to michigan, aren't they, to open a plant? i just read. >> caller: i don't know much about that. i really don't. >> stephanie: go ahead. >> caller: and then i have another point. my brother -- i'm a third generation union worker. i just retired. and my brother who still works for the same shop i w

whether the proponents call this rite to work or freedom to work, it is freedom to freeload. many unions say if they don't have people come in to join the unions, pay dues, necessary, unions lose power. unions in their argument protected working conditions and wages for years in this country. this is the big transition. not only state to go through it. we do expect rick snyder at any moment today to sign this legislation into law. we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas family murdered in their homes. the year, 1959. that story brought to live in the chilling crime book. "in cold blood." clues in florida to another family murdered in f

these freeloaders need to shut up and pay their fair share like the rest of us. thank you. illinois, republican caller. good morning, jim. your note -- you are on the air. caller: the morning. i would just like to comment on the two proposals. from my perspective, the real problem is that spending -- is spending. president obama's proposal it increases spending, i believe, with $200 billion in new stimulus and really does not touch anything on the spending side of the. -- of the equation. he does not want to address the deficit. he should be calling for tax rate increases across the board and the elimination of many of the deductions that currently deprive the treasury of quite a bit of revenue. there is a lot of talk about how raising the tax rate for the top tier of newcomers will bring in -- income earners wil bring in like de dollars billion per year. at the same time -- in like $80 billion. the losses from the mortgage rate deduction is on the order of $100 billion per year. i believe president obama really wants to spend more money. spending is so important that he ha

i think it's also un-american for me to freeload off of you if you're a union leader who's paying duesin that benefit from you. can you have two different pay scales, a union pay scale and a nonunion pay scale? >> in theory you could but it would totally demoralize and disrupt the work force. how would you like to do the same job as somebody next door. >> if i made that choice to not join a union, that was my choice and i would have to suffer those consequences. >> i know that's very libertarian and sounds terrific and very practical and all that. >> it sounds kind of fair. it sounds like personal responsibility. >> i think most people would say that was compelling people to join a union as well. i know what you're trying to do. if you wanted to do it, what you really need is campaign finance reform. if you don't want big corporations and unions and so forth to be influencing politics on your behalf because you're a republican and most of the unions are democrats, then get rid of donations to campaigns. and that solves the whole problem. >> from unions and corporations. >> right. but i

a portion of this freeloading country i was surprised it was in height and not, but what someone elsepay their bills. i saw president obama on tv a month or so before election seen he wasn't concerned about the deficit. i have a question to ask that i've been wondering. to solve these people on medicaid that obama put on medicaid, does that come out of the medicare program? >> guest: yes it does. it certainly does. part of the reason i like the right purpose on medicaid, essentially to broccoli and the program to the states -- this is not a cut in spending come up with in the future increases to population growth and inflation, something like that. we found the states do exactly what we did welfare in 1990s. most people on both sides argue well. the great thing about paul's proposal as it's not new stuff. a lot of it has to do is another context. what's new is he at the political courage and skill to put in a package you could pass out. >> host: the geo-plan is to create a fiscal crisis of them privatize social security and medicare. just go absolutely not true. looks great in the fis

of course in this freeloading country i was surprised it wasn't high year than that they wanted somebody else to pay their bills. and i saw president obama on tv about a month or so before election and he wasn't concerned about the deficit. but i have a question that i have been wondering. does all these people on medicaid that obama put on medicaid, does that come out of a medicare program? >> guest: yes, it does. it certainly does. and one of the reasons actually i like the proposal on medicaid is essentially to block the grant program back to the states this is not a cut in spending but we limit the future increases to population growth and inflation may be in plus one, something like that. we found the state's do exactly what we did with welfare in the 1990's which most people on both sides argue work well. the great thing about the proposal is that it is some new stuff. a lot of it has worked in other contexts. what is new is he had the political courage and skill to put it together in a package that you can pass out. >> host: the gop plan is to create a fiscal crisis so it can priv