he invoked ruby freeman by name. i just want to remind people what he said during that call. >> we're so far ahead of these numbers. even the phony ballots of ruby freeman, known scammer. you know the internet. you know what was trending on the internet? where's ruby? because they thought she'd be in jail. where's ruby? it's crazy. it's crazy. that was -- the minimum number is 18,000 for ruby. but they think it's probably about 56,000. but the minimum number is 18,000 under ruby freeman, where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed -- she stuffed the ballot boxes. >> not true. and the reason where's ruby was trending is because rudy giuliani was the first to tweet about it, to post about it. congressman, if what rudy giuliani does, the damage is worth 148 million, how much more do you think with the former commander in chief at the time the sitting president saying you should be in jail? >> i mean, infinitely. i mean, again, i was listening to that and i sometimes forget, you know, we get numb to d

freeman and ms. moss, does that not bode well for jack smith who's going to have pull people from the same selection of individuals? >> yeah, i mean i do think prosecutors and defense attorneys look at the venue and sort of worry about it the way jack smith may be worried about a florida jury. because, again, it only takes one in a criminal case to be a hung jury. but i do think that jurors by and large rise to the occasion. and, you know, i keep on telling this story of the one juror who spoke in the manafort trial, which was in the eastern district of virginia, which is sort of a mixed district. and she said she was a maga republican, and she literally said she left her maga hat in the car. and again, that's a great image that she acted out of principle in the same way millions of americans do and jurors do every day and judges and prosecutors and journalists and every ordinary citizens do. i think there's no reason to think or sort of have these racist views i think donald trump and some of his al

ruby freeman and her daughter moss. rudy giuliani spread vicious lies and conspiracy theories about them after the 2020 election. boy how things have changed. this is 2001. rudy giuliani once gracing the cover of "time" magazine. person of the year 2001. after then mayor rudy giuliani led new york city through the horrible attacks of 911, they called him a tower of strength. how the mighty have fallen. let's bring in michael represents both shay moss and ruby freeman, congratulations on the verdict. happy is not the right word but you may feel like some justice was delivered. >> we are thrilled. i am so happy for our clients who are the true heroes for what they have done for standing up for themselves and other election workers and willing to do that, knowing they are being attacked. knowing they will be attacked more. they have been attacked by powerful men with huge megaphones and to be able to testify under oath and to open themselves up and to prevail this message from a jury is just complete vindication for everyt

giuliani did defame ruby freeman and shaye moss. what the jury has to decide in the coming days is how much money rudy giuliani should have to pay these two women for that defamation. today, in his closing statement, freeman and moss's attorney asked the jurors to award the woman $24 million each. that is just in damages for their injuries. their attorneys also asking the jury to award punitive damages of whatever they think is appropriate in order to send a message to rudy giuliani. in this trial, we've gotten even more detail about the threats freeman and moss face, because of giuliani's conspiracy. we heard a voice mail left on rudy freeman's answering machine threatening to burn her store down. people left messages saying she should be lynched, and describe how they fantasize about hearing the sound of her next snap, and they found her and intimidated her in her home. shea moss was so afraid of trump's rob supporters out in late 2020, to change your hairstyle from this, to this. so that strangers wouldn't recognize her in public

this is what giuliani falsely claimed with no evidence. >> ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and onether gentleman, quite obviously passing around usb ports as if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. >> reporter: none of that was true. what freeman passed to her daughter was nothing more than a ginger mint. can >> the flame that rudy lit with those lies and passed to so many others to keep that flame blazing changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our families, our work, our sense of safety, and our mental health, and we are still working to rebuild. >> reporter: jurors heard of an onslaught of death threats and harassment. freeman testifying how one stranger hoped they both would be hanged, messaging, "i pray i will be sitting close enough to hear your necks snap." there were ominous voicemails. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're going to get locked up, ruby. >> reporter: people showed up at their homes, freeman telling jurors she felt "terrorized." >> i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i chose

freeman and ms. moss testified to about what this did to their lives and that there were people saying these racist comments, that they wanted to hear their neck snap, horrendous, horrendous things, what this did to their lives for him to walk out of court and to say he doesn't regrit and to say he still believes it, it's cruelty at this point. go ahead. >> van jones, him spouting this racist bs, comparing them to drug dealers, i mean, it's -- the brazenness of it is extraordinary. >> well, it's just despicable because you've got to remember these are black women in the south working to help people vote. >> one of them was volunteering. she was doing civil service. >> yeah. literally doing what we need to make democracy work. and, you know, we lost martyrs. there are people who are dead and gone so that we could have this right to vote. and we ask people to go vote and we ask people to help people vote. and for someone to be doing that noble work and to have this despicable piece of dirt come down fr

ruby freeman, and shea moss for, you know, just smearing them. dragging their names through the mud. and he continues to standby his lies. let's go through some of what he said. first of all, obviously, mr. giuliani said he would seek a new trial or appeal. i'm not sure he has basis for a new trial. do you have any thoughts -- >> he'll appeal, and i have to say this, a quick fact check of the pure nonsense. >> we have an hour and 23 minutes. you can't fact check everything that rudy giuliani just said. give us the low lights. >> i'll -- rudy said he was not permitted to put in any evidence in his own defense. completely false. in fact, rudy giuliani admitted he was liable. he gave up his right to have the trial. yes, he and his lawyer put in paper, we're not contesting. he came up with the explanation the reason he didn't take the stand he was afraid the judge was menacing him. that's all in his mind. one point, they got these threats, but i get these threats every day. first of all, that's not true. the threats these women received were vile and

freeman and ms. moss because this is really about them. we've heard enough. i think the jury verdict proves we've heard enough from mr. giuliani and his friends. now what this week has been about and hopefully what the future is about, is hearing the truth, hearing the truth spoken to power. ms. freeman and ms. moss are so appreciative of the jury doing their civil duty and listening to what they have been through, which was very difficult for us all to hear. you know, not to even mention of course how difficult it was for them to experience it. so, they're very appreciative. they feel that this is an important step in the path forward justice, but money doesn't make you whole when your life is turned upside down. but we do believe that it is a powerful message to those sorts of people who would seek to target civil servants in the future. >> annie, really quick is he the last of litigants you think to be held to account? >> as mr. giuliani has said all week but didn't deliver on, stay tuned, and we

and just as ruby freeman said, there is still a lot more ahead. joining me now is jon lankford, one of the attorneys representing ruby freeman and shaye moss. he also serves as counsel at the nonprofit legal center protect democracy. john, thank you for joining me tonight. and congratulations to you and your clients for getting some measure of accountability there. i just wonder, since you are intimately involved in the proceedings and all this, whether you can tell us what miss moss and miss freeman's reaction was to the number assigned to the damages by the jury here, nearly hundred and $50 million. >> thank you for having me tonight. i can tell you the reaction to the verdict. miss moss, shaye, told me tonight, justice was served. she said you know people shiite finally had a chance to hear me tell my story and miss freeman, ruby, said, and they listened. so setting aside the number for a moment, this was an incredible moment for miss freeman and miss moss. i think actually one of the most moving parts of the trial, being there, was when we pla

ruby freeman. to be in a more lectern work in the 2020 election as the -- new -- -- -- so -- her 62-year-old retired mom if she could come help out, just as a temporary worker for the election. the two of them worked that election. they worked together through election day, and election night the following days, helping process balloting lantern at the state farm arena which is where the ballots are being counted. ruby freeman and -- they should upended their work, and that would have been the end of it. we would have never needed to know the names ruby freeman and shaye moss, and they probably would have preferred it that way. if you weeks after the election trump lawyer rudy giuliani concocted a story. he started claiming ruby freeman and shaye moss, he he identified publicly by name, he said they had stolen the election from donald trump in georgia. he said video from the state from arena which was running on a loop on fox news showed them acting like drug dealers, that was the language he used,

please send our congratulations to ruby freeman and shaye moss. we appreciate it. >> i will, thank you for having me. >> thanks a lot. the rudy giuliani verdict is the latest im a series of very significant damage judgments lodged against donald trump and his allies. we know that in order to appeal the verdict, trump has already had to pay a 5. 5 million-dollar verdict that a jury decided that he owes to e. jean carroll for defamation of her. i detect a pattern here. carol is -- in her second damaging trial that takes place in january. trump's partner alex jones has a 1. 5 billion dollar judgment about the lies he made about the 11 children murdered at the sandy hook elementary school. -- gonna avoid bankruptcy to avoid paying to families. and dominion voting systems it shoved in nearly 100 million dollar settlement from fox news. the ap reports, the deal for a significant amount of money even for the company the size of fox, represents about one quarter of the 6. 9 million billion dollars that the company made last year before taxes. -- to approx

. >> proud american citizen, ruby freeman.unteered to be an election worker in the 2020 election as a favor to her daughter. her daughter whose name is shaye moss, had worked for the fulton county elections department for years. she loved her job. she was great at her job. she loved helping people cast their ballots. in 2020, fulton county was short on election workers so ms. moss asked her 62-year-old retired mom if she could come help out as a tempworker for the election. and the two of them worked that election. they worked together through election day and election night, and the following days, helping process ballots in atlanta at the state farm arena which is where the ballots were being counted. ruby freeman and shaye moss showed up and did their work. that would have been the end of it. we would have never needed to know the names ruby freeman and shaye moss, and they probably would have preferred it that way. a few weeks after the election, trump lawyer rudy giuliani concocted a story. he started claiming that ruby f

freeman and ms.ied to what this had done to their lives, that this ho hornldous -- horneddous things to say he doesn't regret it that he actually believes it, it is actual cruelty at this point. go ahead. >> for him stating this racist bs comparing them to drug dealers, i mean it's -- the brazenness of it is extraordinary. >> well it's just despicable because you got to remember these are black women in the south working to help people vote. >> one of them was volunteering. she was doing a civil service. >> literally, doing what we need to make a democracy work. and, you know, we lost martyrs, people who are dead and gone, so that we could have this right to vote and we asked people to go vote and we asked people to go help people vote. for somebody doing that noble work and have this despicable piece of dirt comes down from god knows where and just ruin their lives. in pursuant by the way of crazy theory that somehow trump was being robbed of the election by these two black women and put their lives

ruby freeman had to leave her home for weeks for her safety.sitting behind her as she testified about all the threats and harassment had done to her, how they made her regret even becoming an election workering in the first place, that job she loved. none of what was said about the two women which resulted in their lives being turned upside down, none of it was true. ruby freeman and shaye moss sued rudy giuliani for defamation. and giuliani admitted in the course of that case what he said was false, and therefore a federal judge found rudy giuliani liable, literally liable as in he has to pay for his lies about these two innocent women and today in federal court a damages trial got under way in which jurors will decide how much money rudy giuliani has to pay ruby freeman and sheae moss for what he did to them. that comp scission could reach as high as $43 million. additional punitive damages could amount to -- the sky's the limit. one way to look at what happened today as the latest chapter of rudy giuliani's descent, the judge in the defamati

freeman and ms. moss. >> thank you. i appreciate your time. >>> next, the software engineer who was hired by trump to prove widespread voter fraud is now finally speaking out. he's going to tell you what he uncovered and tell you why he wants to share it now. ken block is my guest. >>> breaking news, you're looking at a live picture of a volcanic eruption in southwest iceland. lava right now. hundreds of feet in the air, imagine it. 4,000 people have been safely evacuated. but this is what's going on right now. we'll haveve more comiming up. >>> tonight, fake electors in court. six pro-trump fake electors pleading not guilty today in the state of nevada. they face felony charges for signing onto a false slate of trump electors. one of the indicted is the state republican chairman who introduced trump at his nevada rally last night. trump calling him and some of the fake electors great patriots. jessica schneider begins our coverage outfront. >> that is six votes certified. >> reporter: the six nevada republicans charged

shame moss, and ruby freeman. moss and freeman are the georgia election workers whose lives were forever altered after giuliani made them the crux of a nonsense voter fraud conspiracy. now, the sheer size of this penalty is, really, stunning. 16 million for defaming freemen, 16 million for defaming moss. 40 million for emotional distress to both women, and 75 million in punitive damages. moments after following the verdict, the two women thanked the jury, but said that today's result does not atone for two years of turmoil. >> the flame that giuliani lit with those lies, and passed on to so many others to keep the flame blazing changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our families, our work, our sense of safety, our mental health. >> i want people to understand this. money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go, and who i choose to share my name with. >> giuliani came out to the cameras, to, and the word of the

but ruby freeman and shaye moss did testify earlier in the trial. can you remind people what they said? because, again, these were volunteers. >> they were. well, ruby freeman was a volunteer, and shaye moss was a paid georgia election worker who took quite a lot of pride in doing that job. and that's what she told the jury. but they both took the stand over the course of this week as the jury listened to them. and not only did they speak what they did after the 2020 election and how their names have been ruined, how they fear for their lives, how they are afraid to introduce themselves to others, they also when each were on the stand, there were voice mails, chilling voice mails, racist voice mails and text messages read and played for them. and then their lawyers had them react to them. and they described how scared they were, how they went to the police, how they were advised by the fbi to flee their home, and how terrifying it was not just in the days after the 2020 election as rudy giuliani and others were saying these things about them, but in

another $20 million to ruby freeman for otnal distress. another 0 million for shaye moss on emotional distress. $75 millior both on punitive s. that's the $148.169 million. my question is hre you going to collect? at this moment, rudy giuliani owes $500,000 in unpaid taxes. the has a lien on his pm beach property. he's selling his upper east side property, and his consulting firm defaulted on a debt for a phone bill. how are you going to collect? >> sure. we have already put the pieces in motion for that. we are intending to collect every nickel of it. we'll see how much we ultimately find and how much we ultimately recover. but we are putting the pieces together right now. >> if you remember -- >> i'm sorry. some sound played. go ahead. keep going. >> we're putting those pieces in play right now. we were putting them in play prior to the verdict. so we intend to pursue this verdict. >> just to sort of help our audience understand how this works, can these ladies put a lien on his properties? would his tax returns be taken? like, pragmatic

and fresh off their 148 million dollar court victory over rudy giuliani, the women he defamed, ruby freeman and shaye moss, are now filing a new lawsuit against rudy. >>> but we begin tonight with the phrase, poisoning the blood of our country. if it sounds like nazi talk, it's because it is. in chapter 11 of adolf hitler's fascist manifesto he writes, all great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning. that little turn of phrase has since been parroted by other autocrats like the far right leader of hungary, viktor orban, has described muslim, middle eastern asylum seekers as a poison. this is the same guy who said he opposes immigration because it leads to, quote, mixed race europeans. now the phrase is being repeated by the leading republican candidate for president, donald trump. he had a rally, we wasn't quoting vladimir putin, praising orban, or praising insurrectionists as hostages, had this to say about immigrants. >> they let, i think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country, when they do that, we have a

people showed up to ruby freeman's house. listen to some of the threatening voicemails the women received. listen to this. >> [ bleep ]. >> we're going to burn you down. >> you're all going to jail. you piece of [ bleep ]. >> how much do you think that -- those voicemails played into the jury's verdict. >> yeah, wolf, it was quite significant, there's no question about that. when people have platforms and those platforms can really get into people's living rooms, they get into their heads and they get into their moe doemodus operandi. you can see based upon the anger in the voicemail messages what was done. this is the consequence of indicating things to people that are lies. this is the consequence of what can happen when you spread falsehoods that injure people's reputations, that damage people emotionally and that have factors and facts that can actually harm people. and so i think by the verdict, the jury was saying that this is unacc unacceptable in this climate and any climate. we may have thoughts, opinions and beliefs

that all pales in comparison to now what he owes ruby freeman and shay moss for the defamation of what happened last week at trial, that jury verdict. that is the sort of thing he can go to the necropsy court and ask the judge, please discharge this debt. he has already agreed in that case, as part of the final judgment, that it was malicious. that is the sort of debt you can't get rid of through bankruptcy. he will be indebted to them very likely after some court proceedings for the rest of his life. >> we mentioned these other defamation lawsuit still pending against him. what are they? could that mean he will actually owe even more money? >> it very well could. you will not be surprised, there are three of them related to other statements he was making after the 2020 election, when he was working on behalf of donald trump. he clearly had that defamation case that he lost with ruby freeman and shaye moss , the two georgia election workers, also someone that works for one of the voting machine companies is suing him. there are two companies that have major lawsuit that are progressing

threaten ruby freeman.nsistency, but i'll give her an f for intelligence kwh it comes to dealing with the criminal prosecution. >> black on black crime is way before its time. it strikes me these two black defendants, two blacks for trump, both seem obsessed with ruby freeman and her daughter. it wasn't enough for them to allegedly harass them and cause them to get death threats, joining the former mayor of new york in doing that, and he's getting sued for it, rudy. if that wasn't enough, they seem obsessed with them. could that become an issue? because he, mr. blacks for trump, avoided being jailed. he got through, could this judge now be so fed up that he decides to make an example of ms. kutti? >> no, because you can't be -- the sins of another cannot be imputed to you. mcafee is not going to punish kutti if the law isn't met, if the standard isn't met by fani willis. but is it kind of setting the tone for perspective jurors to see that these defendants are so reckless that they're willing to continue th

without people like freeman and moss, we couldn't even have elections.s of pain, suffering, and harassment. now, i'm going to deal with the elephant in the room. part of what feel the response to both freeman and moss was textbook what nationalism. it's important to distinguish white nationalism from white supremacy, because what nationalism, as in this case, is rooted in the idea that america's prices and systems are chiefly reserved for white people. and that people like moss and freeman, who are not, what should not have access or be able to participate or to be able to enjoy the functioning of the same processes and systems. it's the same reason why trump and his attacks on u.s. state attorney general letitia james and manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and fulton county district attorney fani willis have just a little more but then some of the things he says about anybody else. and giuliani's appeals to white nationalism has now become quite costly. let's bring back david henderson and matthew dowd. david, i want to start. just give me your rea

rudy giuliani ordered to pay nearly $150 million to former election workers ruby freeman and shea mosspe no one ever has to fight so hard just to get your name back. >> byron: the mother and daughter's lives ruined when donald trump's former attorney falsely claimed they engaged in election fraud, prompting so much harassment, they both left their homes. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're going to get locked up, ruby. >> byron: are more legal trouble on this the horizon as the man once known as america's mayor? >>> matthew perry. the cause of death for the beloved "friends" star revealed less than two months after he was found unresponsive in his hot tub. >>> george clooney. >> and action! >> byron: back behind the camera as director, telling the story of the boys in the boat. >> a boat full of underdogs representing an underdog nation. >> people ask, did you get in the boat? no, i'm not an idiot, i'm 62. >> byron: why the movie is about more than rowing. >> the major theme is, we've got to do things together. we're better, all of us, together. >> byron: the one thing the multi-tale

moss and freeman. they are the georgia election workers whose lives were forever altered after giuliani made them the crux of a fraud conspiracy. the sheer size of this penalty is really stunning. $16 million for defaming freeman. $16 million for defaming moss, $40 million for distress to both and $75 million in punitive damages. the two woman thanked the jury but today's result does not a tone for two years of turmoil. >> the flame that giuliani lit with those lies and passed to so many others to keep that flame blazing changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our family, our work, our sense of safety, our mental health. >> i want people to understand this. money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. >> giuliani came out to the cameras, too. and the word of the day was absurd. >> the absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire

here's some tape from the january 6th hearing that makes that clear. >> ruby freeman and shea freeman moss and one other gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine. >> what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> a ginger mint. how do you -- what do you think about that person that you saw in that clip, and does that square with the man you once worked for, the man who was once known as america's mayor? >> no. as i said, he didn't pick on little people. he picked big fights. as mayor and u.s. attorney. went after the mob. went after wall street. he didn't go after defenseless civil servants, okay? and it was despicable that he did that. and people saw through it. he says he didn't get a fair hearing or tribunal in court, and he's going to seek one elsewhere. he obviously did get a fair hearing. and i don't know where he's going to go to get satisfaction, you know, in a new trial. >> christie, this is not the only legal proceeding in which shea freeman -- ruby freeman and shea moss play a rol

we've heard not only what we heard about trump saying these things about ruby freeman, ruby freeman,she did, which were not true. but we heard the venom from the public with respect to we're going to hang you, we're going to do all these things to you. what am i saying? we're at the damage phase. the jury has to assess, how has this damaged you, how has your life changed, what should the consequences be. and our system of justice converts that to money. not only are you allowed to consider the actual damages, i had to move away from my home, what it did to my child, et cetera, my life's not the same, but what about the emotional damages and stresses and what about the jury wanting to punish, that's what punitive damages are. when you hear that and then you hear the president buttoning this up saying things that are not true, that's a big bully pulpit that affects a lot of people. that's damages 101. i would expect -- unless this defense is amazing on giuliani's portion -- that there's going to be a verdict for a lot of zeros. >>. i'm going to go out on a limb and say there's not an a

will ruby freeman and shaye moss see any of that money? the attorney for the two women is out front. >>> also breaking, israel killing three of its own hostages. they believe they actually managed to escape hamas. >>> we'll talk to the father of an american hostage about whether he thinks his son may also be trying to escape. >>> and arizona calling up the national guard for help at the border. we're showing you the migrant surge that they are seeing there. let's go out front. >>> good evening, i'm erin burnett. the breaking news, $148 million. that is what rudy giuliani has been ordered to pay georgia election workers ruby freeman and shaye moss after conaccusin them of rigging the 2020 election. it's a jaw-dropping number. it is the actual verdict form that breaks down into numbers. ruby freeman awarded $16.1 million for defamation, $20 million for emotional s distress. shaye moss awarded $20 million for emotional distress. and then they were awarded $75 million in punitive damages. when you add that all together, that's where you get th

emotional testimony by ruby freeman yesterday. over the course of 90 minutes freeman recounted how she was hounded by death threats, messages calling for her to be lynched. so bad the fbi told her she was not safe as home. she said yesterday, started by one post by giuliani on december 3, 2020 that claimed to show footage of ruby freeman and her daughter pulling suitcases stuffed with ballots. of course, it showed no such thing. in closing arguments giuliani's attorney acknowledged his client "committed wrongful conduct." explaining that he didn't take the stand, because "we feel like these women have been through enough." if you believe in a explanation after the hell rudy giuliani put these two women through, you haven't been probably paying attention enough to everything that's happened the last couple years. on tuesday the judge said giuliani defamed freeman and moss once again speaking to reporters outside court, and accused them of changing votes. the very same allegation that led to this case in the first place. his lawyer

let me ask ken freeman. he was the campaign spokesperson back in 1993, during really giuliani's run for new york mayor. he is a consulting producer for the cnn original series giuliani, what happened to america's mayor. i'm glad you're here. i really had been racking my brain, thinking about the idea of stepping on the rake time and time again, knowing you already had a defamation finding. you heard what shaye moss had to say today. tell me, why do you think rudy giuliani is doubling down now? >> i think he is taking a page out of trump's playbook. trump is defiant, he has been trashing the state attorney general, letitia james, after every court session. rudy is doing the same. he is given to access, that is for sure. you know, i wrote a column about him in october 9th, 2019, were i advised him to stay away from trump, tuesday away from freeman and parnas, and instead he returned to the ukraine the next day, he doubles down, as you said earlier. if you told him he made a bad hire, he would give that person

and shaye freeman moss and one other gentleman. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity, again, that day. >> reporter: the mother and daughter detailed in hours of emotional testimony on the stand how these false allegations upended their lives. they received death threats. they've been forced into hiding. and they've been turned down for jobs. they also recounted the agony for the january 6th committee. >> i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> this affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. >> i feel like i'm defending the rights of all americans. >> reporter: giuliani has refused to back down from the lies even now, years after his rampage that the 2020 election h to overturn any election. it's disgraceful what happened. >> reporter: and giuliani spread wildly false claims. >> gee, just about the 700,000 votes that president trump was ahead by two days ago that disappeared. whe

and freeman's accounts were horrifying. we have to warn viewers that some audio in this piece is disturb iting. more damming testimony against rudy giuliani. read for the jury some of the racist threatening messages she received after giuliani's public statements in the wake of the 2020 election. statements targeting her and her daughter, fellow election workers, appearing visibly shaken on the stand. freeman read e a message, "i hope they lock you up and throw away the key, you traitor." >> their testimony is compelling. they were a volunteer and a temporary employee working on elections and the administration of elections. they had to move out of their homes, the subject of intense threats to their physical harm to their physical safety. >> freeman read another message, "pack your s, they are coming from you. i'm not far behind. i'm coming for you also. trash will be taken to the streets in bags." and freeman said i took it as they were going to cut me up and put me in trash bags. and also today a recording was played in

the women's attorney told jurors today freeman and moss should each be awarded $24 million.ant to bring in nbc's ryan reilly who's following the trial for us. peter baker is the "new york times" chief white house correspondent and an msnbc political analyst, harry litman is a former deputy assistant attorney general. good to have all of you here. so ryan, giuliani told us earlier this week that when he got the chance to testify, we would hear -- and i'm quoting him -- the whole story about his allegations. so what happened? >> reporter: yeah, i think his lawyer finally got through to him. him testifying was not going to go well and would end up putting additional money on the reward that they're eventually going to be finding here. you know, because he cannot let go of this big lie, right? he still believes this. it's very clear by his statement this is week that he still believes these false claims because of something he read on a crazy right wing conspiracy website about these two election workers that he defamed. so even though he acknowledged, you know, months ago in th

jury deliberations began today in ruby freeman and shaye moss 's civil defamation suit against giuliani, which started on monday. the two women are seeking $47 million in damages for the torrent of abuse and threats of violence that they say rudy giuliani brought on them with his lies in the aftermath of donald trump's defeat in the 2020 election. after promising monday that he would take the stand and testify in his own defense in the lawsuit brought against him by the two election workers, he apparently had a change of heart. it's also possible that giuliani's legal team decided to put him on the stand would be a disaster after he said this outside the courthouse on monday. >> whatever happened to them, which is unfortunate if other people overreact, but everything i said about them is true. >> do you regret what you did? >> of course i don't regret it. i told the truth. >> those remarks led the judge, beryl howell, to suggest that rudy giuliani might have defamed the two defendants again. she also asked giuliani's attorney, quote, if he was concerned about his clients age or mental c

during her testimony, ruby freeman said she had ginger mint still on her.talked about how the judge had been coughing the day before and that she wanted to offer a ginger mint to her at that point. just i mean, the testimony was just extremely powerful. we saw a taste of that obviously before the january 6th committee with shaye moss testifying, but hearing what they've gone through since these lies were spread about them was really devastating and i think it would have an impact on the jurors, ana. >> yeah, crying on the stand, talking about being afraid to use your real name, to show your face, having depression and stress disorders, and so, paul, giuliani could end up owing tens of millions of dollars as you just discussed, but his financial troubles are long documented. does he have any money? he's already on the hook for unpaid taxes. the irs has put a lien on his property in florida. he's listed, he slashed the price of his new york city apartment and his consulting firm defaulted on a debt for a phone bill. so what happens if giuliani can't pay? >> t

so new case was filed today by ruby freeman and shea moss.ember, they won $148 million judgment from a jury on friday, and today not letting the grass grow and being very tenacious they have filed an injunctive action. you might be thinking, well, why do you need that if you just got this judgment for $148 million. it is sort of for two purposes. one, it is seeking relief to prevent rudy giuliani from continuing to harm the plaintiffs, and that is continuing to disparage them. remember, rudy giuliani just last week both during the trial and right after the trial continued to make damaging statements about the plaintiffs. so it seeks relief to say you need to stop and it also seeks to make sure that they can take that injunctive relief and get third parties to adhere to it. so they can going to news organizations, to x, to all sorts of people who might want to disseminate those false statements and defamatory statements to say there's an injunction against this. so it is definitely sort of an aggressive move to protect these plaintiffs from on

what are ruby freeman and shane moss asking for lexi >> they want a courts order to have rudy giuliani stop telling lies about them. that trial that ended on friday with this massive $150 million verdict from the jury, that was about statements that rudy giuliani was making about shane moss and ruby freeman in the days after the 2020 election, 2020-2021. that was that period of time but during the course of the trial, he walked outside of court on the very first day and doubled down then at the end of the week even after the verdict continued to say that he had evidence and everything he wanted to say about them was true. that was just last week and so that is why they are going back to court and suing him again. this is what they write in their lawsuit, defendant giuliani continues to spread the very same lies which he has already been held liable, his statements coupled with refusal to agree to refrain from continuing to make such statements make clear he intends to persist in his campaign of targeted defamation and harassment, it must stop and they are trying to do that by going to

speaking outside the court, ruby freeman said that ruby giuliani was not the only one who had spreadare we likely to see more cases like this? —— rudy giuliani. are we likely to see more cases like this? -- rudy giuliani.— are we likely to see more cases like this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a — this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real _ this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real uptick— this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real uptick in _ have seen a real uptick in defamation cases. i don't know what these statistics are, but they certainly, they have garnered a lot of attention in the press and from across the spectrum, people understanding their rights to bring these sorts of cases and are doing so and when appropriate. so we may see more in the future. in this particular case, giuliani and the statements by his co—conspirators including the former president regarding freeman and moss were part of this case and part of the story told in this programme last week. thank you for all of your insights there. formerfederal prosecutor th

what has been the structure of the case put on by moss and freeman's attorneys? >> frankly just letting them speak for themselves and tell their stories is really compelling. you can't listen to that and your heart goes out to them. they didn't do anything wrong and because someone found this random video on the internet and because of all these biases and racism then immediately went into this, there is this assumption of criminality from the get-go even though people didn't have the basic understanding of how the election process works or what that video actually showed. they became a target of a digital lynch mob. that really is just like what blood through here. there's the before times for them and then there's the after times for them and they will never have the same lives that they did at the beginning. i think this case would be in a much different circumstance and much different situation if rudy giuliani was actually sorry for what he did. but he's very clearly not. he very clearly still believes these lies from the get-go. if he was actually apologeti

freeman again.was the lesser of two evils i think here but either way i think we're headed toward a very large verdict against rudy giuliani, a very large damages amount against him. >> i want to talk about the difference in what the jury has to decide here in terms of the damages in just a second. first and foremost, you talked about things that rudy giuliani said outside of court. here are things that his attorney said in court. rudy giuliani is a good man. i know some of you may not think that. i'm asking you to be reasonable. and then he also asked jurors to remember giuliani's reputation from years gone by, mayor of new york city after 9/11, as a prosecutor who took down the mob. saying rudy giuliani shouldn't be defined by what's happened in recent times. this is a man who did great things. when it comes to the jury deciding the damages, does this have impact? should it have impact? >> no, kate. it's irrelevant, first of all, at best. the jury is not there passing judgment on whether rudy giul

yesterday, we heard a 911 phone call from ruby freeman because she had called the police in early 2020ing that people were banging on the door at her house. after that, she had to flee, and she felt homeless, because she could not go to her family or friend's homes, because that testimony had everyone in the courtroom listening intently, and the jurors, and rudy giuliani had little reaction to it, and his lawyer didn't have any questions for her after her time on the stand, and so, sara, there is not much of a defense, and it could go to the jury today, of how much they award these two women, and what he did. >> we cannot say enough of how shaye moss and ruby freeman have been going through hell created by these lies, and now he will not say more because he is not taking the stands. >>> and now, house republicans have been moving it to the floor to impeach president biden, and what will we hear from hisson, hunter biden. >>> and we will have hear more from the marathon press conference from the ukrainian president. >>> and what the reporters on the ground saw in the midst of war. >>> t