now, i'm trying to imagine this feeding fren si. so my question is what did the american taxpayer invest in. we have a slide. can somebody put the slide up? >> when you're in school, an a is a really good score. bs are good. but the truth of the matter is, a b is a high-risk. it's a junk rate. now, american taxpayers may say you know, we risk some of youfr money -- you know what, we had to take that gamble. so we're telling people we made good investments for you. but the truth of the matter is most of the money went to junk-grade opportunities, all right. now, that brings me down to so how do you navigate that territory. how do you get the guy that is win the money? so there has to be a process. now, i was looking at some gao numbers. there's 460 applications to the program. about 7% of the people that applied got the money. my question is what did those people do to get that money? >> who is paul thompson? >> paul thompson is a business development -- skbl okay, so who does he work for? >> who is he working for? >> yes. >> in the