perry mentioned saw seed frght union a longtime ago. why is that bad?tter than the united states. they could aeceede, right? >> i wish a few states would secedde. >> where would you start? >> california perhaps. that would be number one. i do think the poverty thing is not going to matter. why? poverty rates have gone up to record levels. they would say perry took stimulus money. they will say, perry used to be a democrat. so did ronald regan. >> i think a good slogan for perry and you don't have to pay for this, make us more like texas. >> well, they did suceede from the union. will it have more or fewer residents? >> i am not suggesting you do it about them being slightly less than the rest of the country. >> do you see this coming down to perry and romney? >> right now, yeah. i think michele bachmann is obviously formidable in the terms that she won iowa. in the long run do i think she will get the nomination? no. i think it will come down to romney and perry and we will see what happened. you can't discount the fact that the guy came strong out of i