frieden? >> hallie, it's crucially important that we let kids get back to school in person this fall. we open schools and keep them open. we can do that through layered protections. vaccinating everyone who could be vaccinated, masking up indoors, increasing ventilation, getting ready for that occasional or more than occasional case so that it doesn't become a big cluster, and having special accommodations for the very few students and staff who have serious underlying health conditions and will need some sort of accommodation. >> should fully vaccinated people avoid dining indoors for a little while? >> if you're fully vaccinated, do you have immunocompromise, living with someone who is immunocompromised? if not, then you can probably dine indoors with others. if so, you may want to think twice about it. >> there's a lot of reports coming out and one thing that i know many folks have been reading with interest. people who did not get the vaccine got serious cases of covid or family members go

tom frieden. dr. frieden, thank you so much for joining us. we just heard that lloyd austin is seeking to make vaccinations necessary for all active duty military as soon as next week. is that what we need to see if we want to get through this pandemic? >> i think the attitudes are turning. people are seeing that covid is not over, delta is doubly dangerous. it's driving big increases. those increases are going to get worse before they get better. fortunately for our seniors, 80% are fully vaccinated, but mandates both of vaccines and of indoor masking, are going to be coming back in, and that's important. because that's the way to get the uptake higher. i think it's a no-brainer to get the military vaccinated. we want the folks who defend us not just to be safe and healthy to do that, but also because of the close quarters in the military, there are lots of outbreaks that can be prevented with vaccination. >> yeah, this is a really significant development. we are now approaching 100,000 new coronavirus cases each day here in the united states

frieden, i want to look at the big picture. we spoke on this network yesterday morning and said we could reach 200,000 cases by next month, daily caseis. i had to listen to that because i couldn't believe it. hee understand what this means. we'll see more cases. are we going to see though hopefully fewer people dying because of the vaccine? >> delta is doubly infectious and it's also deadlier, because more people become ill. there's an interesting set of graphs, comparing the united states with the united kingdom, rapid increasing case counts in both places but in the united kingdom where they have a higher vaccination rate, they see a much lower increase in hospitalizations and deaths. that kind of divergence between cases and severe illness that you see in the united kingdom, you see much less of in the u.s., particularly in places where there isn't enough vaccination going on, and there aren't enough masks being worn indoors. really the fundamental point here is that vaccination and masks are our two most powerful tools, and

frieden, vaccines have always been mandated.'s sent a kid to camp or school or on a field trip has had to provide a vaccination record for that kid and there are lots of countries that americans can't travel to without producing their vaccination record. i used to carry mine around when i was a white house staffer. what is different? is it just our politics? what is different about the public health measures being recommended by scientists and doctors and a country where you describe it as a lack of uptake. i think matthew is describing a 25% that is just refusing for cultural reasons to participate in these measures. what is sort of the scientific view of why this is so difficult? >> our two most powerful tools to fight covid are vaccinations and masks. and unfortunately, both of them have themselves been infected by toxic partisanship. and that's making us much more vulnerable to the pandemic. but what you're seeing, as cases increase again, as people recognize that it's going to get in the way of jobs, get in the way of busin

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. >> the former cdc director, thomas frieden, says that the u.s. could soon see as many as 200,000 new cases each day. do you, dr. jha, agree with this assessment? >> yeah, so i do agree with the assessment that we could get to 200,000 infections a day. you know, the last time we got to numbers like that, we had 3,000 to 4,000 americans dying every day. i don't think we're going to hit those numbers ever again. and that's because most of the people who are the highest risk -- the elderly, the people with chronic diseases, most of them have gotten vaccinated. and so the vaccines are going to protect hospitalizations and deaths. i think we'll still have an enormous amount of suffering and death. i don't want to underplay that, but it won't be quite as bad as it would have been had not -- had all these people not gotten vaccinated. >> you know, there's growing evidence that there's a pretty big difference between some vaccines and other vaccines, in terms of how well they protect us from the delta variant. can you, dr. jha, give us some context between the one-dose johnson & johnson vacci

tom frieden says the u.s. will likely see a surge of infections in the coming weeks and it won't be limited to areas with low vaccination rates. and a former u.s. official has this warning for the unvaccinated -- >> my god, we have more cases, more hospitalizations now than we had when i was in office last july. only reason that we don't have 1500 deaths is we've done a good job with the elderly. but we're at a pace to lose 75,000 additional americans by thanksgiving. that is a horrific thought and one that we cannot accept when we have a way to avoid it all. the virus will evolve, there will be variants and delta variants and vaother variant. the next one is around the corner if we don't all get vaccinated. so i beg the american people to understand that to defeat the virus, we have to get everybody's level of immunity up and that is just the way it is. >> a new study out of singapore shows that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant may start out with similar viral loads as the unvaccinated but th

look if his constituents are getting sick, i mean, i spoke to former cdc director tom frieden this morningto 200,000 cases a day by september. do you think that in the end maybe it is constituents will say you didn't handle it properly? >> unfortunately there will probably be very little political blowback either in florida or nationally because he is stepping into the footprint of the donald trump electorate who are either telling people to not get vaccinated, telling people covid is not real or saying some other foolishness about why not to take this global pandemic seriously. the people that are -- that would tend to vote against him because of the vaccination probably were already going to vote against him so the problem is that he can probably do this with very, very little political blowback because his sitting electoral base was the confederacy anyway. it is sunday, there is always a word. if you continue, you will reap and do harvest. i bungled that, but galatian 3:6-9, that's that it says. we have to get out the message of why people should get vaccinated because it is the right t

thomas frieden says masks ae crucial for children who aren't yet eligible for a vaccine. >> the mask that you wear protects people around you. the mask that other people wear protects you. and that's why universal masking indoors is so powerful. >> reporter: today's expected court ruling could determine how districts across the state including the largest, miami-dade county, deal with the pandemic. and the debate comes as the number of cases and hospitalizations of children skyrocket across the country. cases have more than quadrupled since the end of july. gayle? >> thank you very much, manny. the kids do seem to be rolling with the masks. >> might have to use -- a 12, 15, 16, no problem. the parents are not rolling with it. >> exactly. exactly. let the children lead. >>> coming up, the fight over school mask mandates is leading to angry encounters at school board meetings. how misinformation -- that's the problem -- is fueling all this anger. >>> first, it is 7:18. time to check your local weather. >>> ahead, how the covid surge means some hospitals cannot treat people with other h

frieden the former cdc director who points out that vaccines are safe. they're effective. and vaccination rates are low, that we're seeing these explosive surges of covid. florida, for example, right where i am now in palm beach county, the two hospitals right next to me have quadrupled their number of patients. gardens hospital is about double what it was at its worst last as i remember and a couple of surges ago. jupiter medical center where i am working has at least 50 patients in the hospital. i checked a couple months ago. they had a couple. we're exploding in south florida. some of the hospitals are stopping elective surgery. it's a big deal. i spoke to dr. leslie diaz, joe, the regional expert in infectious diseases. she had a particular take on this. as a treating doctor, she has dozens and dozens of covid patients under her care. she says it's ironic when an unvaccinated patient comes in the hospital with covid, or needs to be in the hospital. they are very willing to take experimental protocol drugs, but they were unwilling to take what they thought was the exper