some frisked, some not. between january of 2004 and june of 2012, eight years were black or hispanic. and in fact in the year 2011, more young black men were stopped and lived in the city of new york. in their ruling, the judge determined that at least 200,000 of the 4.4 million stops were conducted without the required reasonable suspicion. and of the 4.4 million stopped over eight years, 90%. that's 3 million individuals that were not charged with a crime. and now the judge does not want to end the stop and frisk. he wants the oversight noticeably for the cameras to be worn by some police officers to record the action. and he also wants an independent court office monitoring the police department and their compliance with the changes to stop and frisk. well, new york mayor bloomberg doesn't want this kind of oversight. stop and frisk will save lives, he says. including the lives of those very minorities who may have protested the policy. >> there is just no question that stop and frisk has saved countless

stop and frisk program was dealt a serious blow today a federal court ruled the police department has violated the constitutional rights of minorities for years with excessive stop and frisks so what does this mean for the practice moving forward find out in a moment and you likely heard a lot about immigrants trying to enter the u.s. but how about americans who want to leave the number of people really now saying their u.s. citizenship is on the rise we'll explore why and do you have a student loan a group is launching a nationwide video campaign to raise awareness of the student loan crisis will look at the campaign later in tonight's show. it's monday august twelfth eight pm in washington d.c. lopez and you are watching r t well a major federal court ruling out today will have huge ramifications for the new york police department's controversial stop and frisk policy federal judge. handed down a one hundred ninety five page decision that says new york's finest has violated the constitutional rights of minorities for years here's part of that ruling the city acted with deliberate in

most of those frisks are minorities. and that is causing deep anger. >> you can't give people authority where there civilian or police officer the right to just stop somebody because of the color of their skin. >> bill: that was trayvon martin's mother. a federal judge agrees with her. ruling that the nypd must modify its stop and frisk program. liberals are overjoyed but not so fast. the unintended consequence of a slowdown in stop and frisk could be death the losers if this case is allowed to stand are people who live in minority communities. 97% of the shooting victims in new york city last year were people of color black or latino. >> bill: not only that 8% of the accused killers in new york city are minorities. that's why people of color are under more scrutiny it is beyond belief that people think cops get up in the morning looking to give black people a hard time. it's based on public data and safety. with that said intrusion. i can't stand the airport security deal. if i was being patted down on my way to the del

stopped and frisked. you can't find young black kid who hasn't been stopped and frisked multiple times if he's 17, 18, 19 years old. there's a problem there. and at this point, it can't go on in light of the trayvon martin conversation we've been having nationally. >> while this is front page news all over the country, it's not a news story. it's demography versus the constitution. in city after city after city. it's poor people who are being victimized by people who live in their own neighborhoods. we have to frame of reference for being stopped and frisked. people like us. we're white, we're middle class. no frame of reference. we don't get followed in department stores when we go in as potential shop lifters or thieves. but the interesting aspect of this story to play off your initial feelings about it, if you go to certain parts of this city or any large city, and talk to people who live under the constant threat of crime, many of them poor, many of them minorities, they're very conservative about thi

stop and frisk. why? -- i don't mind being frisked. when they check bags i say check this out. spin doctor cd's. i want to show everybody what is in my bag. i don't care. >> are you an exhibitionist is what you are saying? >> what i am saying is my perspective, i am like super white guy, whatever. of course i don't mind being frisked. >> because you never are. >> let me comment on this. >> i think your point is well taken on the drug use. if they are going to do stop and frisk, they should say if we catch drugs on someone as a result of looking for guns and weapons we will not arrest you in that instance. if you are doing stop and frisk you should be going after violent crimes. if you catch someone with drugs that shouldn't be -- we are not going to arrest you for that. >> so articulate. what are you going say, bill? >> i lived in east harlem for three years and i saw a lot of stop and frisking, but none was happening to me. i was doing some shady stuff. i creeped myself out. nothing. >> i guess my n

this doesn't change the number of stop and frisks. andwere totally innocent 55% were african-american, 32% latino. this doesn't change the stops and frisks, just how they collect data. ofexactly. there are a lot challenges going on to the nypd stop and frisk program. there are three major class- action lawsuits now pending in federal court. one that challenges the abuses in the stop and frisk program overall, one that challenges what is called the clean holes program -- which is stop and frisk abuse in residential buildings where landlords sign up for particular police protection and the police have used that as a pretext to suggest residents -- all sorts of constitutional violations. and one that is involved with public housing. we expect a ruling from the federal court about the constitutional violations that are part of the nypd stop and frisk program any day, any week now, and that will be very, very important. there's another aspect of the work going on to rein in this out-of-control police department, which is the legislation pe

new jersey has stop and frisk. have 33% per 100,000 murder rate, highest in the country and have stop and frisk. >> i don't think this is -- >> jobs, poverty? >> i think jobs and poverty are key to everybody's success. that's not the police department's job. and i don't think it is determinative to take numbers like that like bob is doing, saying they weren't arrested. well, how do you know how many crimes they didn't commit because they were deterred? >> exactly. >> some of the highest -- >> success rate with mayor bloomberg with this than anybody else not in law enforcement who maybe had been a victim of a crime. >> what are you referring to. >> loss of people. >> i am serious, dead serious. do the research, not depend on other people's flow charts, pie charts, awesome. this is where i like to add to the whole thing. you talk about race and nationality playing a role in whether to stop and frisk, they go with -- just so happens, many of those areas is where more crime happens. economics is tied into criminal beha

this is somebody writing about stop and frisk. wrote a whole book in part about stop and frisk and racial profiling. what i'm concerned about is people who are concerned about both sets of issues, what we see in the national media is only the nsa and privacy and digital surveillance issues tend to get the kinds of headlines -- >> that's interesting. >> -- that stop and frisk and physical surveillance get. and i think that's a problem and i think, perhaps, the calculation there among the national media is because the nsa surveillance affects everybody and because stop and frisk only affects, or is disproportionately targeted at color -- >> exactly. >> -- that the national media should only cover nsa story and not stop and frisk. >> chris, listen -- >> please. >> i want to be honest here, also. i feel like if we work together, we can get more accomplished. so if we can find a space or an issue where we can cut across some of these racial lines and class lines and understand the ways in which oppression in this case, surveillance, wh

damn it, frisk, focus! >i've almost got it, sarge! (laughter) for years, opinion in new york has been divided on -- (laughter). i'll allow it. for years, opinion has been divided on frisk with black and latino residents of the city saying it's an invasion of their liberty and white redents saying "oh, i think i heard a thing about that on npr. is that still happen? ing". (laughter) obviously, i don't mean to suggest that it's only use against the city's minorities, but it is almost that. >> between 2004 and 2012 there were 4.43 million stops. 52% were black suspects 3, 1% were hispanic. >> of these thousands of daily frisks, only 6% lead to an arrest. >> john: it's basically like catch-and-release fishing except you get to feel the fish up and shout at it a bit before throwing it back. also, almost all the fish are brown. (laughter) this policy has been in place for over a decade. but there may be some good news on the horizon if you happen to be a minority who likes walking. >> today a federal judge called the n.y.p.d.'s policy of st

stop and frisk doesn't. you know, in 2011, we had about 700,000 stop and frisks in the city. 680,000. and they pulled about 700 guns off the street. that means that 99.9% of the stop and frisks didn't yield any guns. if you want to get 700 guns off the street, well, you can do it through a big seizure like they did today or do it by an effective gun buyback program. and either way, you would be much more effective than the amount of hours it takes, if you can imagine, to do 700,000 stop and frisks. sometimes involving one cop, sometimes involving multiple cops. >> naacp is, of course, a national organization, oldest civil rights organization in the u.s. you have chapters everywhere. why are you so focused on new york city and stop and frisk? for folks who are watching who don't live in new york city, is this bigger than new york city? >> yes, this is the biggest racial profiling program in the country, biggest racial profiling, maybe in the world. mayor bloomberg tried to get the mayor of san francisco to re

and the stop-and-frisk is one reason why either one of them will pull away. >> in the training for stop-and-frisk in the training, is it just the hard fact that the overwhelming majority of the people who will be stopped and frisked are innocent citizens who should be treated with dignity, and although there is no dignified way to initiate a stop-and-frisk necessarily, there are training methods you could bring to it about how you end a stop-and-frisk that emphasizes in as much as possible the officers handing the dignity back to these people who they just interfered with, this way? >> you know, you're absolutely right, training can always be improved. the issue as i see it, in new york city, the rookies, people just coming out of the police academy and impact units are being given quotas on stop-and-frisk. now, my experience, as with many others, once you get out of the police academy you really are very raw, you really don't have a full understanding of a veteran on the police department. those seasoned veterans can recognize individualized, reasonable suspicion which is what is necessary in or

the frisk part of to being and frisking is all about guns.can teenager's pocket, that is what they're hoping to find. that is the goal of stop and frisk. taking a gun off the street. or any other deadly weapons like knives. but no weapon is as deadly as a gun. so a gun is the goal. of course, the cops are perfectly happy to find drugs in those pockets to justify their stopping and frisking. but the cops have almost all used those same drugs themselves. the very same drugs in their teenage years. and they know that pulling a few joints out of a kid's pocket is not exactly stopping a major crime in progress. but in the nypd's vast stop-and-frisk program, which could be called the nypd's get the guns off our streets program, exactly 1.6% of the frisks have produced weapons of any kind. and the statistics show that the white people who are stopped and frisked are 40% more likely than black people to have one of those weapons. a whopping 1.4% of white people frisked by the nypd were revealed to be carrying a weapon of some kind, not all of which w

continuing the conversation on stop and frisk. crystal right, commissioner ramsey, and mark geragos. you were trying to make a point before the break. pick it up there. >> here is the bottom line, as police, we have to make sure we exercise the authority the public has given us in a constitutional way, and we do not abuse people's rights. we do not say that there is more -- all black people are criminals or more in this community or more in that community there are some in everyone community. we need to weed them out, but we need to do so in a fashion where we do not disrupt the descent law-abiding people that are just trapped in an environment they don't want to be in any more than you would want to be in -- >> commissioner, in your experience, charles blow was on with crystal and mark the other day. one of his points was that the experience for a young black male say of being pulled over, of being stopped, of being frisked and not having anything on you and, you know, statistics show most people who are stopped and frisked are l

new york could this be the end of stop and frisk? a federal judge rules it crime fighting tactic violates the constitutional rights of minorities. it is the key element of mayor bloomberg's law enforcement legacy. we are going to hear from him live any moment. redrawing the lines in the drug war. attorney general, eric holder, will talk about his plans for low level non-violent drug offenders. we are going to bring you that announcement and what this shift in policy means for the criminal justice system as well. good day to you, i'm peter alexander in for an dree that mitchell. we are going to hear from mayor bloomberg and get his reaction of the judge's ruling. we want to get to pete williams joining us from the news room. a judge made the ruling on the controversial stop and frisk tactics. what exactly was that ruling? what did we learn today? >> she's not ordered the city to stop doing the program. she ordered them to change how they do it. she said it's racially profiling the people they stop. the majority of the folks they stop

. >> brown: new yorkers weigh the pros and cons of the city's stop and frisk policy. we get reaction to a judge's order to limit the program. >> woodruff: despite dire warnings, egypt's government has yet to crack down on mass- protests supporting the ousted president. margaret warner talks with egypt's foreign minister. >> brown: new education standards taken up by many states outline what kids should learn but not how. john merrow looks at teachers and students adjusting to "the common core." >> with mathematics, it used to be this is how you do it, here are your steps, if you don't do it that way, you're wrong. now the common core says do it any way you want, just be able to do it and justify your answer. >> woodruff: and luck strikes 16 maintenance workers in new jersey. we hear from the group who recently won a big lottery jackpot. that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: ♪ ♪ moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> and the william and flora hewlett foundation, working to so

you hear two critics of stop and frisk. why do you like stop and frisk?rst of all, assertive policing is effective in dealing with crime and crimes of violence and the kind of thing that's going on in new york city and urban centers across america including here in milwaukee, wisconsin. policing is difficult enough. we ask our officers to do this with hand tied behind their back. this decision is not grounded in a sort of legal basis. now tying the other hand behind these men and women and not only new york city but across america. they go out and put their lives on the line in doing so. this becomes a cliche after a while when i hear the racial profiling charges against law enforce am. i have been in law enforcement for 35 years and hearing it for a long time. any time the claim is made, they had no factual basis. here comes that cliche again. i heard the thing earlier about some former convicts and former criminal inmate trying to give advice on how law enforcement should police is like a cat taking advice from a mouse on how to catch mice. that's the l

have you experienced firsthand stop and frisk? >> all over the world. new york city, japan, last month. i had police stop me. it's hard for people who don't go through it and don't live in neighborhoods where it's happening to understand how degrading it feels. i mean, if we're talking on a constitutional level, you know, we have certain rights and what they're telling people by accepting stop and frisk as a policy, you're telling people because you live in a poor neighborhood, it's your fault and you deserve to be criminalized. that's not constitutional, it's not fair. >> phil, it's interesting to me, the judge cited the trayvon martin case numerous times in the opinion, in the 200-page opinion issued today. racial profiling and legal redress for racial profiling is one of the issues you're occupying the capitol over. do you think there's a connection between what we saw in the trayvon martin's death and the trial afterwards and the decision out of new york today? >> i think what brother talib said is correct. i think young people of color experience r

that's why she did not overturn the stop and frisk policy.new there was a precedent. >> she's going to micro manage it. >> the eighth or ninth monitor of the police department. to the extent this results in less effective policing in these communities, it's going to cost black lives. >> it's also enhanced these communities. williamsburg in brooklyn, bowery and new york, east harlem have all produced, become better neighborhoods since stop and frisk. >> dan. thank you. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. when you realize you need to switch to verizon, it's a reality check. i had my reality check when i'd be sitting there with my friends who had their verizon phones and i'd be sitting there like "mine's still loading!" i couldn't get email. i couldn't stream movies. i couldn't upload any of our music. that's when i decided to switch. now that i'm on verizon, everything moves fast. with verizon, i have that reliability. i'm completely happy with verizon. verizon's 4g lte is the most reliable and in mor

greg you asked bill about frisking. frisking bill? was that the question? >> i think so. >> tom, the comedian has a good point about how this works in chicago. a cop in chicago says he doesn't like frisking because frisking is disgusting. there are a lot of dirty people out there. he is worried about getting sick. what do you think about that? >> i think he has to put on rubber gloves and a mask and do their job. >> cops have a tough job. >> yes. my uncle was injured in the line of duty. he gaged on a donut. >> terrible, a donut joke about a cop. what is it about comedians and donuts and cops? >> let's segue about what went on in kentucky how they -- how the children's meals are donuts. somebody brought up that half of the meals are free is they are near the poverty line. greg, you question whether fruits and vegetables are even food. >> yes. >> are blue ice pops food to you? >> definitely. i like anything that employs a juice and is frozen and can be kept in the frige for five or six years. >> is cheese whiz a food group? >> yes jie. is a fremp fry a very

>> stop and frisk? >> black on black violence. >> black on black crime is part of the social responsibility which reverend sharpton did mention. >> and in vague -- >> as part of the social contest -- >> you mentioned black on black -- >> we are dealing with it in our community and we have been dealing with it in our community. >> back to robert zimmerman. obviously you are not black and you don't come from that community. you have, however, experienced as you said the civil rights machinery. don't you think though many of the people who marched were sincere in their feeling that they were being profiled? >> oh, absolutely i do. and i have gone out on the record before saying there is a despair -- disparity in this country and it continues today in treatment and equal justice for all-americans, but particularly for people of color . i do want to say that it is remarkable how this mention by reverend jackson today -- i'm sorry by al sharpton allegedly mentioning in passing the black on black violence is k