on the type of business you have, and this is 4,500 square feet, and that's called startup come ftporfortacit depends on the type of business you have and the layout you have, and 125 square feet a person is a comfortable estimate. >> and the one thing is predicting how much you will need in the future. >> we took this floor and share space with one of our investors and we helped other groups dual, and there are other companies that do that, and that's one way to get around the growth issues and the other is to realize in the goingout months you will pay more and at the back end of the lease, you will get to be saur tkaedea deans. >> a suit company is growing rapidly here. the company started with this one office, and when they ran out of space, they annexed an office next door and then another down the hall, and far from ideal, and then the space was no longer working. >> as i look around the room here and i look at your sales area in the other room, it's tight. >> it's really tight. >> it -- was there a point where your employees were starting to say, john, we need more pace. >> that was