could see in the years after world war i and how germany is shipping up to giving total obedience to a furyk. some of the people in the lutheran churches played up to hiterer. they tried to make hitler's germany into a force. the vast majority were silent. he got committed very early and hung out with a whole underground of people. i think the other thing that i would say is the turning point is they knew today we call it the movement and in the 1930s it was being born. they wanted to form what became the world council of churches. it was postponed until after the war because of the war, but he was an early agent of it, and that's one of the things that served this cause. he got to conferences in switzerland and sweden, england, the arch bishop who was over in'den was his -- eden was his contact person. it was the circle he was with and they were aristocratic military people who wanted the allies to drop the idea of unconditional surrender. they said if that happens, germany will surrender and we can rebuild and so on. it would have been a high risk for anybody, but again the exposure to peo