kaiser report imax keyser time out turn to joel dietz of swarm and simon dixon of back to the future dot com joel welcome to the kaiser report nice to be here all right swarm this is yet another breaking story here in the congo is another step toward a crypto future i guess is a good way to describe it but tell us about swarm swarm is the world's first crypto equity platform so we have we think that crypto equity is to normal have crypto currency is the currency it's sort of the next logical step and has a lot of flexibility that you don't find in existing legal systems and we think it's going to evolve into being the preferred option for funding all sorts of different projects over the course of the next decade ok so recently there was a controversy with oculus rift oculus rift was a project on kickstarter and people put up lots of money they developed this product and then i guess it was bought up by facebook for a big number billions of dollars and the people who put up those the money to begin with for we were really got none of the equity so in the case of swarm if something were launched on