on this let's speak with fergus hudson from the political a political analyst from the future of freedom foundation. so russia and china traditionally stand together to resist u.n. resolutions on syria put forward by the west now this is kind of like a big issue that's tough to put in a nutshell i guess but why is there such a division between these two permanent security council members and the rest of them so they have a closer relationship with syria only much more reluctant to support interventions . of the russian. military and naval capacity as it has a base in syria so there are various reasons why i wouldn't i wouldn't say it's a distinction as you might have characterize it because china has said that it basically taking a neutral position on this and not necessarily supporting or opposing what syria is doing. so far russia has taken most of the criticism from the west for the double veto with china why do you think the reaction why do you think china's decision seems less harsh here. they have made the point clearly that they are not taking a position either way they're not a lot of thems