gabe pressman.turned out the nbc truck had just pulled up and gave pressman, who was the most noted news reporter of that era, tv was always irresistible to everybody. they live in your living room. you can't turn them away. and so in comes gabe pressman. i just followed in his fake. i know how to kind of blessing of aura. because i was behind gabe pressman. he went in and said, tell me, what's in your heart? this took about 90 seconds. but i was already in the house. he left. and i now had the chance to talk to mrs. strolo at length. she said, look at this, the wood working shop. does that look like the wood working shop of a gangster? does that look like the clothes closet of a gangster? she sent me to the swimming pool. which took up the entire backyard. it was pretty small. it was about eight inches around the pool. people over 50 didn't go out there. they would end up indoor. is that a swimming pool of a gangster? i thought to myself, i have a feeling it is. anyway. [laughter] >> and so i came

gabe pressman. he went in there and said, tommy, what is in your heart? this took about 90 seconds, but i was third in the house. he left. and i now have the chance to talk to mr. leblanc then she took me all over the house and says look at this, the woodworking shop. does that look like the woodworking shop of the gangster? she took me to his closet and says does that look like the clothes of the gangster? she took me in the streaming pull, which instantly took up the entire backyard. it was pretty small. there is about eight inches around the pool. people over 50 didn't dare go out there. is that the swimming pool of the gangster? i thought to myself, i haven't any idea. [laughter] and so i came back and they thought it was a genius. i had all these details about the mysterious visitors strowlow and tony bender. then i ran into gabe pressman, but i didn't tell them about that. and i went out and see people, the building was pretty big stuff. and that's how i found myself living for the first three

gabe pressman says, mayor, isn't this part of the old irish mafia? i turned to bob and i put my arm on his shoulder. i said, bob, you told me you were jewish. he turned and put his arm on my shoulders. no, mayor, i didn't say that. i told you i looked jewish. end of story. of course, when i was writing the book i said to ed did you know your second police commissioner, benjamin moore, who was the first african-american commissioner grew up speaking yetish fluently? he said no. >> well, it was the accent. >> anyway. but the problem is as you said you took the heat. but when you fix the -- when you fix the pavement on park avenue and you don't fix the pavement on 125th -- -- >> because you don't have the money. >> because you don't have the money. and you don't have the money year after year, people start to get angry. >> sure. >> and it starts to make you -- and it becomes a racially divisive issue. and it maintains the quality of life for the wealthy and garbage and the pavement, the quality of the streets, declined in the poorest social -- i'm sorry