the bing as benghazi where gadaffi held three parts together. there were predictions libya would be what syria has become. for all of the trouble in libya, it's still a functioning state. it's got lots of trouble. we did lots of things wrong. i think they are better off had we not intervened, had gadaffi been allowed to do what assad did, fight for years. these things take a long time. you think the strategy against isil is appropriate? >> it is simply essential. you cannot actually allow this organization setting up a rule that is as barbaric as any that we have seen redraw the borders in the middle east. i think it is radically incompletely complete, however, to attack it as a purely military problem and to attack it as if it were not completely and intimately bound up with the syrian civil war and the politics of iraq and increasingly, the economics of turkey. so we need the political strategy together with the military strategy. >> do we needs more force? >> i am not sure we need -- if we need more force, we need more force from the region.