took on the case of gaddafi and then issued its indictment of gaddafi without any proper investigation and and in due course moreno ocampo put out the most nonsensical propaganda stick statements of the americans such as gaddafi was. feeding his men with viagogo in order to commit rape so yes of course the united states is happy to cooperate when it goes after its adversaries but there is when you look at the united states is it really likely that it's going to accept jurisdiction by an international court when it is reluctant to prosecute its own crimes even in its domestic courts i mean remember president obama as soon as he was elected and now so we must look forwards not backwards and we've seen that in the cases of torture in which people were killed you know the cia institute. the torture first of all the u.s. attorney general announced that so long as you were following the d.o.j. legal guidelines then torture was fine and then he said well ok we'll investigate some of the people who have gone beyond the guidelines and even also that he decided there wasn't really enough of a ca

there was a break between-- >> a light footprint was explicit policy, maybe not explicit, but after gaddafiell we washed our hands of libya more or less. had a few state department and cia this. morals said the qataris and united arab emirates, they would take care of arming things and we let them arm the islamists, that's who they support and now the islamists are gaining in strength against an elected government. >> but this is reflective of a broader pattern of a spore raddic attentiveness that this administration shows, it's broadly reactive, not proactive and you know, basically said, hey, libya, we've been there, done that. gaddafi is gone and on to what might be happening in cairo. >> paul: what are the implications for secretary clinton and i assume, we all assume she'll run for president. >> well, this, it's secretary clinton, i think, could not have hoped for a better report than the one that she got, because let's face it, management failures, we said management screwups happen all the time and this was very regrettable, it's time as the saying goes to move on and she's going to

deliver impartial justice we saw in the case of libya that jumped in and rushed out indictments of gaddafi and his son within two minutes of within two months sorry of getting a mandate from the security council to conduct an investigation no proper investigation had been undertaken yet he was already in a position to say that gaddafi and his son had committed war crimes yet in the case of iraq. the previous special prosecutor moreno ocampo had declared after three years that the crimes in iraq had not reached the threshold of gravity to warrant an investigation so it's clear that. it's not delivering impartial justice and it's very unlike a delivery impartial justice given the that it's serving as an adjunct to nato and the state you're in you're getting a little ahead of me ok ok bill do you want to answer the same question is it is it delivering impartial justice i mean after all the indictments are against africans right now africans only yes that's true we just celebrated the tenth anniversary of the coming into operation of the treaty creating the i.c.c. and yet it's still a work in

of the news a we are hearing in retrospect about what actually went on during it some time of the gaddafi regime. the book, there were basically four takeaways, four main points that i try to make. one of them has been brought into profile by the presidential debate in the whole issue of what happened in benghazi which is the myth of bolivia's irrelevance to u.s. policy. over the course of, if you go back to the foundations of the libyan state in 1951, you know, the u.s. relations with libya have been -- the u.s. has looked at libya as something of an a strange creature that we could use for certain -- as a piece of the strategy that had to do with the region as a whole, but was never really looked at as -- the relationship was never seen as an object in and of itself. you could start off with their relationship with the soviets, the eisenhower doctrine and the united states to siring to push back soviet influence. libya was desperately pleading for u.s. attention back in, for eight tickets of to get to the list and on its own feet. this was before the discovery of oil. the u.s. kind of t

perhaps most important questions that still need to be answered are after the fall of gaddafi, why did the administration not do more to support libyan friends and partners as an outcry that affiliated terrorist groups established sanctions in eastern libya? that remains the fact on the ground today. it directly implicates u.s. national security interests, and that is the real explanation of why for americans lost their lives in benghazi. a pattern of violent activity in eastern libya was well-documented for the entire year leading up to the attacks of september 11, 2012, and yet the administration did too little to support our libyan partners who were grateful for america's help in the fight for liberation who elected a pro-american government in july, who sought greater u.s. assistance to treat their wounded, train their national security forces come to secure their borders, build their democratic institutions, and expand the rule of law. libyans did not want al qaeda militias running amok in large parts of the country. that is the reality we now face. this is the broader failure of

al qaeda-backed revolutionaries to take out gaddafi. gaddafi was not a good man. he had blood on his handles. but after 2003 the bush administration, as followed by the obama administration, was working with gaddafi and was completely transparent about all weapons he had. not so with what's going on in libya today. at some point, instead of the president of the united states trying to nullify the constitution and saying, you know what, i disagree with that marriage law that congress did, so we're going to ignore it and as i speak so it shall be the new law, that's what kings do, that's what pharaohs do. so it would seem a little bit hypocritical if you have someone from an administration who said, you know what, we don't like the immigration law and so as i speak it, so shall it be, i will make, i will pronounce new law because i don't like what was dual passed by republican -- duly passed by republicans and democrats in both the house and senate and signed by a prior president, so as i speak new law, so shall it be. and so it does seem

perhaps most important questions that still need to be answered are after the fall of gaddafi, why did the administration not do more to support libyan friends and partners as an outcry that affiliated terrorist groups established sanctions in eastern libya? that remains the fact on the ground today. it directly implicates u.s. national security interests, and that is the real explanation of why for americans lost their lives in benghazi. a pattern of violent activity in eastern libya was well- documented for the entire year leading up to the attacks of september 11, 2012, and yet the administration did too little to support our libyan partners who were grateful for america's help in the fight for liberation who elected a pro-american government in july, who sought greater u.s. assistance to treat their wounded, train their national security forces come to secure their borders, build their democratic institutions, and expand the rule of law. libyans did not want al qaeda militias running amok in large parts of the country. that is the reality we now face. this is the broader failure of

silver evidence of manipulation in these markets and it's all with chris paul and bill murphy of gaddafi who have made this their work and interestingly when we talk about the issue of conspiracies we do have some actual conspiracies that have come out in finance for sample the libel rigging there is a headline the libel conspiracy where the bank of england and whitehall in on it because of conversations and e-mails went back and forth that made it look like maybe there was some agreement that there should be going on during the financial crisis between officials at central banks and the banks that were doing this for the people that were doing this but nonetheless we definitely know the bankers were rigging live or the rate together jon stewart actually summed up this whole notion perfectly you know there are all these conspiracy theories about the world's financial system being controlled by six illuminati members in the basement of the vatican. actually just sixteen well into the lunch but it's. and so now that we've had a settlement we just saw u.b.s. settle over live or and possibly

he will get as much of a trial as gaddafi did. the last option is one i mentioned last night.try to re-establish himself in tartus, in canton protected by points on the east. he might be able to exist in a while in iran, semi-independent under the french for decade-and-a-half after the first world war. those are the options. staying in power extremely unlikely. >> doug: you mentioned the port of tartus and it's a russian naval base. i wonder if we have a graphic here of the base. it's geopolitical stronghold for russia. their decision not to provide amnesty, for assad at this point. >> russia has to think of their own concerns ahead of the relationship with syria, no longer the same. syria is crumbling and assad is likely to die there. convince him to break down or make concession. the rate at which we see this go on is where we watch defection of the high level of the military. if he tries to leave too soon, his life is in danger. where they go, he goes. he doesn't want to leave. waiting to see if he is killed in his country. i don't think the russians can pressure him to mak

he will get as much of a trial as gaddafi did. the last option is one i mentioned last night.to re-establish himself in tartus, in canton protected by points on the east. he might be able to exist in a while in iran, semi-independent under the french for decade-and-a-half after the first world war. those are the options. staying in power extremely unlikely. >> doug: you mentioned the port of tartus and it's a russian naval base. i wonder if we have a graphic here of the base. it's geopolitical stronghold for russia. their decision not to provide amnesty, for assad at this point. >> russia has to think of their own concerns ahead of the relationship with syria, no longer the same. syria is crumbling and assad is likely to die there. convince him to break down or make concession. the rate at which we see this go on is where we watch defection of the high level of the military. if he tries to leave too soon, his life is in danger. where they go, he goes. he doesn't want to leave. waiting to see if he is killed in his country. i don't think the russians can pressure him to make th

it looks a lot like the group that was outing muammar gaddafi from libya a year ago.ther reason for the united states to be proactive and play a stronger lead is to get to know these people and try to shape this organization on the margins if we can do that, and one more think anybody is proposing an u.s.-military intervention on the ground. we're really talking about political recognition perhaps arm sales at this point. >> eliot: perhaps giving turkey defense mechanism, but exactly. i haven't heard anybody say send marines in. michael, let me ask you this. is there anything to the notion that if the internet lines are being cut and phones lines are coming down at a we can predict something more vigorous from the assad regime. >> i'm not sure. it could be a defensive reaction. the rebels are acting in a defensive way, taking air bases and i didn't mean to imply earlier myself that there could be or would be a near-term ground envision. but once you start to use western military power in a country you're investing your credibility and taking a step that is hard to wal

. >> he has seen american match nations bring down gaddafi, saddam.e determined to preserve their ties. >> the administration downplays the leadership role and presence of islamists and al-qaeda, this video alleges to show foreign jihadists, is a malley, germany, u.k. and france on the ground in syria. that man said he wants to establish strict adherence to shariah law in syria adding that the taliban is example to follow. >> opposition has to take steps to isolate extremists and those with a different agenda. >> the leader is pushing the u.s. to reconsider the decision to label militant islamic use to claim religion is legitimate motivating factor for the rebels. the u.s. says the group is a front for al-qaeda in iraq. chris? >> chris: thanks. >> you're welcome. >> chris: federal appeals court struck down the nation's last date wide been a on carrying concealed weapons. illinois now has 180 days to write a new law permitting people to carry guns for self-defense. unfortunately, no one armed or otherwise was able to stop a young man with an illegal gu

1970, which after 11 days put sanctions on the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by gaddafithe good of the regime continued killing its own people -- the good of the regime continue killing its own people. -- the gaddafi regime continued killing its own people. the libyan council adopted a resolution to do everything to protect the civilians. none of these have been in syria. this is why the syrian people will not support the syrian national council in a way this new council, this new opposition leadership, will bring some help. will bring some protection to be civilians in syria. unfortunately, none of these have been. this is why we see this decline in the credibility among the syrians. when you meet any syrian, he will say, they did nothing for us, and nothing to do about it. after a year from this gap, which i explained before, between the position of the international community and the situation on the ground, the international community decided to play a game with the opposition again. the, they decide they have to work with another organization and a new coalition. th

what happens when gaddafi faile d, we allow the situation to deteriorate, and rice and clinton spoke about intervening. that is something to put in the plus column, and they pushed the administration to get involved and not let benghazi be overrun by gaddafi. happens is when you do not get involved you allow the situation to go on long car and it allows extremist groups to have a larger say. what happened in libya is the extremists lost at the ballot box, but in benghazi there was no libyan government to deal with the militia groups, pro and con, and the groups we were relying on were unreliable. the al qaeda militia groups were growing in strength. i worry about iraq. i worry that we fumbled the ball inside the 10-yard line. the surge did work. it did work. we have political progress and an increasingly good security environment. we have no troops in iraq today. i believe before long there will be a fight between the kurds and the arabs, and i were about our diplomats in iraq, and i think allowing syria to can do it the way it has has become a contagion in the region, it is a strate

propietario ha sido investigado en el tráfico de drogas y también de traslado de familiares de muammar al-gaddafiha sido una de las cantantes latinas que más discos ha vendido, es un momento muy duro para las familias, en un momento muy duro como es la navidad. >> vemos que en la residencia pues está decorada para la fecha navideña y ¿qué han dicho los familiares?. >> fíjate que no, ha sido una mañana, si bien un hermano salió un ratito, pero no conversó, anoche las hijas salieron a cantar, ellos eran cristianos, pero van a viajar a méxico para reconocer los cuerpos. >> gracias por ese informe en vivo, por lo pronto tenemos más en "despierta américa". >> gracias satcha pretto y se une a esta cobertura de equipo maría teresa. >> así es, estamos rindiendo un homenaje a la gran artista y bueno paro eso, he buscado las entrevista que ha dado, fue con una de las nuestras y ahí habló de la dinastía rivera y ella contaba qué hacia para traer a su casa un poco de dinero, vamos con los detalles. >> es muy dificil juntarlas a todos, es muy especial, ya sea en una ocasión com oeste, se siente muy lindo, pue

help support the efforts of the people to get rid of gaddafi?hy did obama or hillary clinton get on the phone and call the president of libya and say, "you owe us. san whenever you have to save our people." i believe the local forces went in after it was over and our people were dead. to didn't somebody jawbone, get them in there to help? host: you can talk about any topic you like. joel florida, what is on your mind. caller: you were talking about afghanistan. one of the main reasons we are over there is to keep the poppy plants growing. host: what brings you to that opinion? caller: just research that i do online. host: how do you think things are going to work effort with the troupe drawdown? caller: anybody's guess. host: alright. sharon from california. caller: in 2013, there is a movement coming to washington, d.c., about systemic corruption in our judicial system. a gentleman is with wallace america -- lawless america. he has been documented people from family court to civil cases where politics are taking precedence over the law. perjury

government that was friendly to the united states because of the will be played in the overthrow of gaddafi, they did not have the capacity. the state department and began to rely on local security and local militia, documented by any evidence presented in the report. we have a dangerous situation with inadequate security, yet the state department it -- failed to take adequate steps to support security requests from their own personnel, failing to make the one remaining decision that cries out to me as evidence, which was simply to say that we have to close this facility as we cannot protect american personnel in benghazi. there was a very averell theme struck by the personnel at the state department that they simply have to go to the places that are dangerous. this is true and admirable. but it is not responsible for us, for the government to keep them in those very dangerous places unless we provide them with adequate security. in this case we clearly did not. our attitude was to close the facility until we could give minimal and adequate attention to the personnel. secondly, the departme