it depends on the fuel. oil wealth was the glue that held in gaddafi's fiefdom together.ed to get their hands on these assets. they failed, and now marshal haftar‘s army rules the oil crescent. there have been times over the past six years when it's looked like the violence and political chaos in libya could shut down this vital industry, but it has never quite happened. the oil and the gas is still flowing but as for the revenues being generated, well, much of the money is being creamed off by different warlords and militias. i've looked around your facilities. it seems to me you have equipment from the 1950s, 1960s... yes, you are right, yeah. you need a lot of investment. yes, yes, you are right. who is going to give you the money? noc, as usual — noc. but they're not giving you money, are they? there is a problem with the money, yeah.. you know, the political situation in libya now, two government, two army like this... it sounds like from what you are saying that it is currently impossible for you to develop this facility. yeah, for the time being, yes. without inves

sometimes it looks as though, ina gaddafi.e might once again be flirting with a potential dictator. —— muammar gaddafi. the world wants a peaceful, united, safe libya, where terry —— terrorism is eliminated. do you think we will see that in the next one or two years?” am hopeful, optimistic, about that. there is a great deal of will among libyans that we should put an end to this split in libya, and the fact that we have two governments, and to put an end to this case that we have suffered from. -- chaos. the top libyan football team are preparing for the new season. remarkably, through all of the years of violence, the libyan national league has kept going. 0ne semblance of unity amid the division and chaos. a generation of young libyan men have grown up generation of young libyan men have grown up with guns, militias, and war. in eastern libya, khalifa haftar is seen as a warrior and a winner. but on the other side of this crippled country is ultimate victory —— is ultimate victory seems much less certain. —— his ultimate. h

when colonel gaddafi was overthrown six years ago, the leaders of britain and france rush to benghazi. colonel gaddafi said he would hunt you down like rats that you showed the courage of lions and we salute your courage. the triumphalism was misplaced. jihadist militants turned benghazi into an annexe of their so—called comfort. this man rooted the jihadist out. marshal khalifa haftar, once gaddafi's favourite general, now commander of an army which has become libya's dominant force. marshal khalifa haftar‘s army 110w force. marshal khalifa haftar‘s army now controls at libya's key assets stashed oil and gas. this is the breaker refinery complex. there have been time when it has looked like the violence and political chaos in libya could shut down this industry but it has never quite happened. the oil and the gas is still flowing but as for the revenues generated, much of the money is being creamed off by different warlords and militias. we fear there is a problem. east of libya, it is completely controlled by marshal khalifa haftar. in the nearest future, this problem will not be so

translation: when colonel gaddafi was overthrown six years ago, the leaders of britain and france rushedolonel gaddafi said he would hunt you down like rats, but you showed the courage of lions, and we salute your courage! cheering the triumphalism was misplaced. jihadist militants turned benghazi into an annex of their so—called caliphate. this man rooted the jihadists out — marshal khalifa haftar, once gaddafi's favourite general, now commander of an army which has become libya's dominant force. marshal haftar‘s army now controls libya's key assets, oil and gas. this is the brega refinery complex. there have been times over the past six years when it's looked like the the violence and political chaos in libya could shut down this vital industry, but it has never quite happened. the oil and gas is still flowing. but as for the revenues being generated, well, much of the money is being creamed off by different warlords and militias. we feel there is improvement. you know now east of libya completely controlled by... mr haftar. i think in the nearest future, all this problem will be solve

five years after the overthrow of colonel gaddafi, libya is still a country that is deeply divided by former generals, khalifa haftar, are controlling the east of the country. rival militias are in control in the west, and no—one is in control of libya's southern border. from libya, our diplomatic correspondent, james landale, reports. when rafjets crossed this coast six years ago, they were firing missiles against colonel gaddafi's forces. today, they delivered a foreign secretary instead. officials said borisjohnson was the first senior western politician to set foot in benghazi since 2012. and for good reason. only recently have the last remnants of so—called islamic state been removed from the city. he came to see the troops who had taken the fight to thejihadists here. band plays out of tune. the self—proclaimed libyan national army is clearly better at fighting than playing. but these forces matter because they control much of eastern libya and will have to be part of any political deal that tries to unite this deeply divided country. so the intentions of their commander matter.

answer because of the situation in libya and the intervention of us and the french to topple colonel gaddafi? the crisis in libya was not resolved. when david cameron went in there he thought it would be and we have made it in some ways worse. they call for brussels to police the border and sometimes you have to make what seems to be a tougher decision that just welcoming make what seems to be a tougher decision thatjust welcoming more boats. it is difficult. there is not easy solution. indeed and another story that has been going on for the last 16 years, the war in afghanistan. apparently it was a stupid war wasting time and effort, according to candidates donald trump, but now he wants to send more troops to afghanistan. it is now his warand no one troops to afghanistan. it is now his war and no one else's. he described the conflict as a waste and would not be the first us presidential candidate who became president who made a u—turn on getting involved in foreign interventions. president obama was the same stop he did and he increased the troops to 100,000 at one point. there is now abou

charlie: he looks at gaddafi who gave up their nuclear capability and look what happened with gaddafi? >> i agree with you 100%. makes no sense. this is just a pretense. no sense about that. the question is, given that he has nuclear weapons already, and he can attack south korea and japan, how much extra does he buy being able to attack us. not much. if you could imagine american and china doing something together saying this is going to stop now. if it doesn't stop now, we are going to play out an extremely hard hand. it would be china cutting off by half the oil. and if he does another test, all together. but that would be jointly and the chinese saying, i see. you are building missile defenses in south korea and a lot of other designs here, we would like to have a military on the border. and you want to keep us entangled in this so deeply. the dynamic, getting adult supervision and people being candid is extremely how. charlie: yu said china will be the biggest player in the history of the world, that's how strong they want to be. >> it's hard for us. charlie: 2050 is not that --

and someone sited earlier the example of gaddafi earlier in your program. that's a perfect example of why it's going to be very hard to persuade him to give up his nuclear weapons. because we persuaded gaddafi, not three years later they said this is a good time to get rid of him. let's get rid of him and we did. and i'm sure that every dictator in the world looked at that and said that's what happens when you deal with the west and the americans and you don't have nuclear weapons. so we've got some credibility problem said going forward. first thing stabilize this, stop the escalation of rhetoric. deal directly with the north koreans on this and see what we can do about his weapons. >> i have to run so we'll have you back. thank you both. sglp general, thank you for your service. >> when we come back, the president saying he has no plans to fire robert mueller as the russia investigation heats up. new details of what mueller is looking into and who he is questioning now. that's next. work up a sweat during the day. not at night. only tempur-breeze® mattres

korea, you know, when the soviet union failed, we -- but got in pened after bush here, it was -- and gaddafi, same thing, told him if he would stop developing nuclear weapons, what did they do? they killed him. i tell you right now, the united not going to go in there and bother korea, but it.p is capable of doing i hope the military is running this country over trump fthey big , america is in trouble, we're in big trouble there is no way that the russians and the rest of the world after seeing what america has done all over i'm american and i believe in it, i don't believe in what we are doing, no way sit by.l who draw first blood will be word.yed, mark my host: you are concerned about provoking north korea. aller: you are not provoking them, you are provoking the rest of the world, nobody can trust he man, that is what i'm saying. we told gorbachev, and now they doing that now, gorbachev is putting troops on the borders of to him.untries next host: got your point, ron. tim, washington, d.c., ahead.dent, go caller: yeah, basically just two comments. a green card holder and came h1b, and sta

attacks on not only gaddafi, but also yooug slav yan they use that as justification for having nuclear weapons and having broken eight international agreements they reached before to promising never to build them or give them up once they had built them. with the idea of pressure tactics is to try to alter their calculous on that seeing that as they get increasingly isolated from the u.s. and the international financial system while leaving open the door for negotiations but we've had -- we've gone down the negotiations path and it hasn't gone well >> it sounds like both of you, fred, saying fundamentally the same thing, that the negotiating path makes no sense based on our history, the united states history makes no sense for kim jong-un. >> well, it makes no sense for kim jong-un, but we have to make it make sense to him the key in this, and this is what we can't forget, particularly for your viewers because what's really going to move markets is how do thing goes with the u.s./chinese relationship this is the most important bilateral relationship of this generation and this is a cat

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regime that wants to survive, but many analysts say they have learned lessons from libya's colonel gaddafithink he is irrelevant. what the north koreans are doing is very rational for them. in terms of libya, you basically see the north koreans doing the same thing. they see themselves under mortal threat from the united states. they have a regime which is fundamentally failing in providing economic benefits to its population. south korea have a steady income. i think it is not surprising that they would put a high level of resources into nuclear weapons. it is clear that they would ultimately like to see the us out of the korean peninsula? they see the us out of the korean peninsula ? they want see the us out of the korean peninsula? they want to see the military exercises stop and the system in place not return. what chanceis system in place not return. what chance is there of that happening? the idea that the united states would end the alliance with south korea or even, somehow would end the alliance with south korea or even, somehow scrap would end the alliance with south korea or eve

weapon was looking around the world and noticing that there was no longer a saddam hussein or muammar gaddafi, and with those two had in common was they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. --y did have nuclear weapons they didn't have nuclear weapons. the small nations that did, like israel for example, just having those as a kind of doomsday device seems to be effective. the northgue that koreans are well aware of what happened during the war. they are well aware of the bombing. but i don't think that was what led them to develop their nukes as much as their concern that they could be subject to attack by nations that surround them, including the united states, if they didn't have the nuclear deterrent. >> we will go to the back. >> thank you for a terrific talk. very informative and engaging. i have a question for mr. devine and mr. wells. how were you treated as a peace corps volunteer, and how was the peace corps in general treated in that earlier era? mentionedlls, no one the decision not to include korea in the defense perimeter that the united states has established. how much did

were trying to do, we were trying to collect —— protect the people and it brought about the fall of gaddafis, telling them what it takes —— telling them about politics, what it takes to fight an election. also pitfalls, calling elections too soon, before they have their ducks lined up. but i'm genuinely encouraged by what i have seen and heard over the last 48 hours. there is the chance for a political deal that could lead to a successful election. that would make a huge difference to this country. at the moment, libya is like some sort of freak of nature, some embryonic being that has acquired two of everything. sometimes fall of everything. sometimes fall of everything. two central banks, up to four governments, umpteen militias, they need to sort it out. they need to have some guts, bring things together. the foreign secretary, in eastern libya today. the uk's only female giant panda — tian tian — is believed to be pregnant. her keepers at edinburgh zoo say they don't have an exact due date but she's being closely monitored. tian tian was thought to have been pregnant several times befor

when i was involved in the movement, i was invited to libya by muammar gaddafi to receive money to startevolution against the jews. i committed acts of violence that nearly killed many people. i stockpiled weapons to prepare for what i believe was an inevitable race war. -- i havewould say worked with people in prison who have murdered people of color because of the racism. while they were iprison, they found a way to disengage from that, which is probably the hardest environment to do that. just to give some hope. i have worked with some very tough people who most people would never think would change. it is really that compassion that you show them because that is what has been lacking both within themselves and from the people around them as they get frustrated with, you know, their loved ones beliefs. i was a to, don't give up. if you care -- it is apparent the family cares about peter, otherwise, they would not have said the things that they did -- but don't give up. amy: did peter text you after the klan march on friday night, marchrch -- the torch where hundreds of white supremaci

we need to secure the libyan territory, the sovereign state of libya, from al qaeda, which is what gaddafi never did either. al qaeda has been using the libyan state for a decade at least in the desert. what i am looking at is the fact that we have ignored the policies of some of our state partnerships that have exacerbated a lot of the local conflicts, and we continue to do so. inhave ignored the fact that yemen, we had former president solaa as our partner, and he consolidated power. when the new president can to reason my al qaeda was spreading his head of yemen was because of the grievances, which are hard and challenging. they touch on sensitive state infrastructure and power network spirit going after al qaeda military problem, so every time there was a choice between going after al qaeda are going after the hard problem when you have limited resources, the budget was put to the military, which meant the actual problems, three grievances -- the grievances, the governance problems went unaddressed. is, yes,igm shift there is a military component to defeating al qaeda, and we need to b

what we need to him thoim do, secure the sovereign state of libya from al qaeda, which is something gaddafi never did either because al qaeda has been using the libyan state in the desert for at least a decade. what i am looking at is the fact that we have ignored the policies of some of our state partnerships that have exacerbated a lot of the local conflicts, and we continue to do so. we have ignored the fact that in yemen, we had former president saleh as our partner, and he onsolidated power. when the power -- the new president came to power hurricanes mandate was to go after al qaeda. yet the reason al qaeda was spreading inside yemen was because of the grievances. the fwree advances are hard they touch on sensitive state infrastructure and power networks. every time he had a choice between going after al qaeda or going after the hard problem , he put the budget to the military which meant that the actual problem, egrievance the governance challenges, went unaddressed. and so the paradigm shift we need to be coming at is that, yes, there's a military component to defeating al qaeda and

atica davi, and people like that, who gave up their nuclear capability and say look what happened to gaddafi. >> i agree with you on this. the idea of him giving up his nuclear weapons which is our official position and has always been makes no sense. this is pretense. there's no sense about that. the question is, given that he has nuclear weapons already, give than he can already attack south korea. he can already attack japan. how much extra does he buy for being able to attack us? i think not much. so maybe, i think if you could imagine americans and chinese doing something together sitting down saying, "wait a minute, this is going to stop now. and if it doesn't stop now, we're going to play an extremely hard hand." that hard hand all the aught to include china cutting off, by half, let's say, the oil. and if he does another test, altogether. but that would have to be jointly. the chinese are looking at us and saying, "i see. you're also building missile defenses in south korea. you have a lot of other designs here. you would actually like to have a military line on our order. and you wa

there are also problems in libya, after what happened with gaddafi, a failed state.ecause it is not working at present. one of the alarming things is the age of the young men involved. is it about taking a step back and winning an intellectual war? the aim is to stir up anti—muslim feeling, to make more young, male muslims feel sidelined and on the margins, and they become territory for recruiting. there is method in this terrible action, and i think we have to face up to that. it means a lot of rethinking about how we approach it in the first place. poll, really interesting to speak to you. thank you for shedding light on that. —— paul. you're watching breakfast from bbc news. time now for a look at the newspapers. justin urqhart—stewart is here to tell us what's caught his eye. we'll speak tojustin in a minute. let's delve straight inside, justin. you have picked some out for us. let's start with the royal mail. first—class cheek, read the headline. royal mail sells items lost in the post. you may be used to letters going astray, been delayed, but they're being sol

tried to get these so law office it's what hobbyists as they are in manchester to assassinate colonel gaddafi they are in play were implacably anti kadafi they were quite dangerous people some of them a number of them were under control orders and when in two thousand and eleven. the united states and france and britain and eventually nato invaded libya which they'd long planned to do anyway africa's largest producer of oil these to loftus wahabi is in manchester known as the manchester boys were told they could go to libya raise them a stamp there possible it's to allow them to go i do not i don't know i don't know whether she did that it doesn't work like that but it was the argument blair was and he used to argue well i didn't see it you know what jack straw said i didn't see it but they are the people ultimately responsible she was the home secretary and the interior minister. responsible for those control orders and they were lifted by m i five one of them to talk about going to heathrow airport where he's stopped by counterterrorism police and he gives them a name a number an m i five t