i don't think that the uprising was too much directly for the gadhafi actually. helps for the particular timing and the intensity of this rebellion but this rebellion was planned for. before the uprising bankcards him before nato intervention in libya the political arm of the m. and a was formed in october two thousand and ten long before the uprising in benghazi timbuktu the military plans had been laid by the hunger who was in libya at the time but he'd been planning this from two thousand and nine onward so i i think that the fall of gadhafi. sped up the rebellion the time of the rebellion and possibly causing more arms but i don't think that this is a direct consequence i don't think that narrative is from ok peter what do you think about that in washington it's an atmosphere nominal i think of a direct result. certainly the the the the tensions in the northeast grievances legitimate or not you can debate. those are all ongoing problems but certainly there was a new empathy sport with full fires that's why the m.l.o. u.s. military commander. is a colonel in t

members of the gadhafi military to come back to join the m.l.a. and to bring with them. vehicles which they. which they did and it's interesting to see that it was long before that he actually fell ok after the benghazi uprising before gadhafi fell and also importantly before the no fly zone and senior commanders started to me that people were taking with arms and guns. heading back towards northern mali in order to. jason let me jump in right here i mean the military in mali said to be done with they have done because the civil authorities didn't give them the arms they needed to fight the rebellion uprising so i mean in a way and i'm not just a fine cool here but the military saying we have to protect the sovereignty of this country because the civil government is not doing that and that story is beginning to come out now i mean you're talking about weaponry going into the country because of the libyan situation and then we have the military in mali saying we have to protect sovereignty i mean it's not so clear cut is it. because the the fall of gadhafi as i said did h

the pavement next exclusive interview with a man credited with orchestrating the form of colonel gadhafi the former and t.c. leader. now on the sidelines of the process we're sitting down with my whole djibril now he was having the economic and development planning body and libya at the time of the rule of colonel moammar gadhafi and he later read led to the uprising against the regime the interim prime minister of the national transitional council for about seven and a half months i thank you very much a mystery for joining us today and the first question that we'd like to ask at this point today is the civil war really over in libya and who is in control but not a little first correct so there was not some good will to libya. there was resistance against significator ship but we can said the little blue shield did not start here we considered the revolution would start going to start stop talking about development conditions when we start tackling those issues on equal footing for old people as opposed to crucial rights then i consider that lucian such that we have to have our national

not seeing an exclusive interview with the man credited for orchestrating the downfall of colonel gadhafi former n.t.s.c. leader mahmoud jibril that's right. and when the side lies of the brussels forum we're sitting down with mahmoud jibril now he was heading the economic and development planning body in libya at the time of the rule of colonel moammar gadhafi and he later read lead in the uprising against the regime the interim prime minister of the national transitional council for about seven and a half months i thank you very much a mystery for joining us today and the first question i would like to ask at this point today is the civil war really over in libya and who is in control at the moment a little first correct so there was no civil war in libya there was resistance being said that the teacher should but we can say the lucian did not start it we consider the group lucian with the start when you start start talking about development in the streets when we start tackling those issues an equal footing for all people as constitutional rights and then i consider that over substance

a let's talk about gadhafi still you said is that you regret that gadhafi wasn't kept alive to face trial and that you suspect foul play you also mentioned in an interview before the past about what you think there are certain powers that may have wanted him silent because there were too many secrets kept do you still maintain that same position well what they said is that there are too many product is who have interests there he doesn't talk that he should be silenced for ever you know whether he was killed by a foreign entity or libyans or libyans a mayor from others but really don't know but what i'm saying is that there are too many parties who have the real interests that their feet just keep trying forever. is it important to read to them who would you. wish. for for a case for my own curiosity and oh i would love to know who was behind his killing you were there present libyan or not libyan. well before he was captured and killed he seems to have been trying to start negotiations either he wasn't given a chance to start those talks or he did that he was a sneaky know could never be

because the fall of gadhafi as i said some of it's not the prime driver. behind it was already building up weaponry and got weaponry from elsewhere as well as libya before the fall of gadhafi. coincidental in terms of timing and then it is helped intensify it and speed up operations but this rebellion was going to take place at some point and at some point reasonably soon anyway with or without the fall of peter what about the legitimacy of protecting the state sovereignty ok i mean the justification we can talk about the merits of the democracy in their country if we want but they came out and said we have to protect the borders of this country and their arms coming in we have a minority they've been trying to break away for a where a long time now i mean what are the justifications there i mean if security versus democracy versus constitutional order etc etc again it's not black and white. you know it's not like why although i would say this much about the actual one to the took power the justification is there advancing now are just occasions which have

critical so that the revolution such that we have to have our national and established as you know gadhafi has destroyed the libyan army you know and he stopped and then sit with what we called security brigades you know to protect the regime would have to use reestablish you would. have to collect those arms from the streets and we have to prepare the country for elections next two or three minutes to have a transparent elections resulting in drafting a constitution that equalize the rights of all libyans and then i think this bloodshed which took place was worth it but we have been dancing which has unanimously declared a federal state in the eastern part of the country what complications could arise out of this movement are you worried that libya is going to follow the polls to rock or afghanistan a picture of your soul it's in the us it was a group of people in the eastern part of the country. when you talk about windows you're talking about a city of more than one million people you know but this was a demonstration of a group of people which is probably something that a few thousand.

paula slater reporting there all still to come this hour attacked on the watch the son of moammar gadhafi saif al islam was reportedly assaulted in custody the international war crimes court the bounce he's had over. bosnians about twenty years since the start of a deadly conflict that left the country shattered and take a closer look at the driving force behind it. french president nicolas sarkozy has unveiled his latest vision for the country less than three weeks before the presidential vote gets on the way he's been boosted by his anti radicalism starts one of the recent shootings in toulouse but sarkozy's crackdown on religious extremism that followed has left many of the country's muslims feeling isolated but he's at their saucily reports this may be a film about the struggle to live in the french suburbs. but this is reality a shooting of seven people had to lose by a frenchman of algeria and disserved the latest incident to intensify an already heated debate on security immigration and it's a gracious in a country with the largest muslim population in europe. firstly i must say th

in libya the defense team of moammar gadhafi as most influential son claim safe al islam was assaulted while in custody it comes days after the international criminal court told the libyan authorities to surrender gadhafi son who's wanted for crimes against humanity libya says it will try him on home soil over the killing of protesters but journalist action response he says if i think have been to be difficult and say daffy is not being held by the new with authorities. i'm not sure the n.g.c. have much power over the whereabouts of save gadhafi is my understanding is that there is in jan brigade in any case they were making deals with the m.d.c. in the tripoli over trying not to split the country into little pieces it's very murky as to watch the deals being made between all the different jet rebel groups the m.d.c. is so fractured at the moment and presumably there are a number of phone conversations from washington and european powers that desperately trying to salvage something and stop it from breaking into pieces libya once was of course oil is another factor and deals are being

of the country, so lots of situations took place in libya and many people were forced to fight for gadhafi and his brigades. so this really affected eed a h of the libyan society and also the -- libyan society. also the difference of the libyan revolution, libya for 40 years, we don't have an extra constitution. nor through institutions of civil societies, nor did we have the best ministry that we had was the oil ministry because it is the main supporter for the regime and one person managed everything. there was no -- what we had, we didn't even have any partners, we had only the revolutionary councils. so any valuable raise his voice or otherwise it would be the representative for the -- so our situation in libya differs greatly from the situations in other countries, therefore this have left and the libyan case, a lack of experience, a list of experience and the political practices also. this had many negative things in libyan society. i would talk a little about the constitution, we haven't reached yet through the phase where we will draft the constitution, we will know that the countr

heading the economic and development plotting body in libya at the time of the rule of colonel moammar gadhafi and who may or lead in the uprising against the regime the interim prime minister of the national transitional council for about seven and a half months i thank you very much mr shapiro for joining us today and the first question that we'd like to ask at this point today is the civil war really over in libya and who is in control at the moment well let us first correct so there was not somebody order in libya there was resistance against a dictatorship but we can say that good through pollution did not start to get. we considered the group from the start when we start talking about development of issues when we start tackling those issues an equal footing for all people because . it's then said that that evolution is such that we have to have our national. interest as you know get their feet has destroyed the libyan army and no one he destruction in sydney it could brigades you know to protect. we have to reestablish our police department we have to connect those from the streets and

then he bombed gadhafi when you're a friend of nicolas sarkozy always be wary. completely incoherent nature of nicolas sarkozy's foreign policy i think the intervention in libya was a necessary because gadhafi used his own forces and bombs against his own people. but that doesn't mean that the situation is now stabilized we observe that the movement of weapons in as a whole region is linked to the consequences of the conflict in libya this helps to arm groups like. al qaeda in islamic maghreb or some of the events in mali related to what happened in libya therefore we need stabilization policies growth and development here to france has intervened to help end the gadhafi regime but the french development aid to developing countries fell from not point seven percent to not point four percent of our g.d.p. so we give weapons but we don't help the development growth and job creation and as we know if there are weapons of no jobs there will be no more instability francois hollande ambition is to focus on stabilizing the margret north africa region because it's a hot

heading the economic and development planning body in libya at the time of the rule of colonel moammar gadhafi and he may lead the uprising against the regime the interim prime minister of the national transitional council for about seven and a half months i thank you very much in this interview for joining us today and the first question that we'd like to ask at this point today is the civil war really over in libya and who is in control at the moment a little script so there was no some good will to libya it was resistance against a dictatorship but we can said the did not stuck to it. we considered the river. only start stop talking about the law and conditions when we start tackling those issues on equal footing for old people as opposed to crucial rights then i consider a bit of pollution such that we have to have our national at least as you know get their feet has destroyed and the libyan army and he is stopped in city with what are called security brigades you know to protect the regime would have to use and establish a least important we have to collect those arms from the streets and

the fact is for all his faults colonel gadhafi was more or less in his box in recent years and he kept by himself all sorts of undesirable actors once that regime collapsed some of these actors including some of the toerags who are now causing the problems in northern mali returned home bringing with them weapons and fighters and that has spread throughout the same hell region and we're going to be dealing with these outflows from libya in the next year or two and several years all cross the sub region ok beautify can stay with you could this have been predicted should it have been predicted i think you wrote about it before this happened. and it was already building up weaponry and they could go. elsewhere as well as libya before the fall of gadhafi a small coincidental into the toyman and then it is intensify it and speed. up or a sions but these have barely and was going to take place at some point and at some point reasonably soon anyway with or without. to date on the situation in mali coming up for you next hour here on r.t. and crosstalk. well in libya the defense team of moamma

led attack on moammar gadhafi forces. came unconfirmed allegations from western funded non-governmental organizations here who normally use them the one that it is a friday and saturday because information that needs to get out we've been massive maisonette because these mercenaries seem to have. polluted and kill also the distinction according to a new report by the center for the study of interventionism many western n.g.o.s exaggerated the circumstances in libya to expedite the campaign led by america britain and france some admitted mistakes after the damage was done. but today we have to admit that we have no evidence that gadhafi employed mercenary forces or the things unfortunately we have seen a very cozy toast relationship building up between certain big powerful and if human rights watch a mystery international supposed to hear an objective body which monitors standards equally of course doesn't take sides we see these organizations as i say entering into an excessively cozy relationship with for example the uni

heading the economic development planning body in libya at the time of the rule of colonel moammar gadhafi and he later read led to the uprising against the regime being the interim prime minister of the national transitional council for about seven and a half months i thank you very much and suitable for joining us today on the first question that we'd like to ask at this point today is the civil war really over in libya and who is in control at the moment a little stress correct so there was not some good war in libya who was resistance against significator ship but we can say that the pollution did not start here we considered the revolution would start when we start stop talking about development conditions we start tackling those issues on equal footing for old people as institutional rights then i consider that with substance we have to have our national are established as you know god. has destroyed the libyan army you know and he has stopped and incidentally put to good security brigades you know to protect the regime would have to say reestablish the police. will have to collect t

gadhafi is gone. the libyan people are now working to constitute, under great challenge, a democratic future, a democratic system. their transition is on track. we were able to accomplish this without a single loss of american life. in a shared operation of burden-sharing after the united states played a critical role in the early days. our nato partners and arab partners took the lead and sustained the operation with u.s. support. so i think that proved its worth. i can't speculate, sir, in all honesty, on where we may end up in any other circumstance or contingency. i know that the administration and the president fully and completely respect the role of congress in decisions on war and peace. and we will take the appropriate steps to consult and gain the appropriate authorization -- >> i would suggest to you there's a lot of bipartisan skepticism that that indeed happened. and honestly i don't think it did. and with all due respect to our allies, they didn't take the lead. we did 65% of the sorties

heading the economic and development planning body in libya at the time of the rule of colonel moammar gadhafi and he made our red lead in the uprising against the regime the interim prime minister of the national transitional council for about seven and a half months i thank you very much mr shapiro for joining us today and the first question that we'd like to ask at this point today is the civil war really over in libya and who is in control at the moment the literates for a script so there was not some good water libya there was resistance against syndicator ship what we consider good good of lucian did not start here we considered that through volution would start when we start. talking about development conditions who just thought those issues an equal footing for old people because there's confusion of rights then i consider the pollution such that we have to have our national but established as you know good. has destroyed the libyan army you know and he has stopped. brigades you know to protect the regime would have to use every step we. have to collect those arms from the streets and

african leaders and so i really don't blame the libyan government for refusing to turn over islam gadhafi if you're going to have an international criminal court that supposedly carrying out france because of justice if they're not equally applied then of course it's not in any way possible for them to be fair and so this is a huge issue and also there are questions over even the way it is set up for these kinds of war crimes is it really necessary to go after individuals or are there other ways of reconciliation or local means of justice look at what happens to communities and different kinds of relationships these aren't really being factored in by the i.c.c. and so it really is a sort of colonial power play to go after a certain bad bogeyman to probably make the west feel good about it so. now to some other top stories making headlines around the world. at least ten suspected militants have been killed in air strikes in southern yemen security has been reinforced in the capital about warnings of a possible al qaida attack in some of the seen a rise in bought it since president took off

man who engineered the libyan regime downfall says the grisly end of moammar gadhafi may have been about more than just revenge what's. washington decides to leave north korea hungry having it out for the suspended food aid to the families country in response to john yang's plans to launch an earth observation satellite that the u.s. calls it a missile test. but first america's missile shield plans emerged again this week to form a stumbling block between russia and the u.s. the pentagon now wants to expand their defense system to asia and the middle east this is president medvedev and president obama held key talks at an international nuclear security summit in seoul. a microphone card obama's private remark asking for a space on till november as u.s. election has passed his republican rivals powerless to using him and secretly plotting with moscow what is more hard to jump on the anti russian bandwagon artie's guy reports the war cries are resonating with the american voters. the run up to the presidential election in the us. a perfect time to drag down the good old cold war skeleton f

elsewhere as well as libya before the fall of gadhafi. all coincidental in terms of timing and then it is how to intensify it and speed up. but this rebellion was going to take place at some point at some point reasonably soon anyway with or without. that full debate is coming up paradox he can stay. and it may be a defense team of the market after his most influential son claim saif al islam was assaulted while in custody it comes days after the international criminal court over the rights to surrender his son was wanted for crimes against humanity even says it will try him on home soil killing protesters journalist and c says it's difficult since he's not being held before. i'm not really interesting have much power over the we're about to save gadhafi and my understanding is that the brigade in any case they were making deals with the m.d.c. in tripoli trying not to split the country into little pieces it's very murky as to what deals are being made between all the different rebel groups the m.d.c. is so fractured at the moment and pre

well still to come this attack to under watch the son of moammar gadhafi saif al islam is going to be assaulted in custody since the international war crimes court the monster under the prison. also bosnians mark twenty years since the start of the deadly conflict the country and the peace it's. french president nicolas sarkozy has unveiled his latest vision for the country less than three weeks before the presidential vote gets underway he's been boosted by his anti radicalism stance or in recent shootings and means sarkozy's crackdown on religious extremism that followed his left and other country's muslims feeling isolated what is to sensitive reports. this may be a film about the struggle to live in the french suburbs. but this is reality the shooting of seven people in the loose by a freshman of algerian descent was the latest incident to intensify an already heated debate on security immigration and its gratian in a country with the largest muslim population in europe. firstly i must say this is an isolated occasion unfortunately when i see young immigrants in france do not have

led attack on moammar gadhafi forces. came unconfirmed allegations from western funded non-governmental organizations you know who knew from the use of you whenever these. nations. these mercenaries. and. also you. according to a new report by the center for the study of interventionism many western n.g.o.s exaggerated the circumstances in libya to expedite the campaign led by america britain and france some admitted mistakes after the damage was done. but today we have to admit that we have no evidence that gadhafi employed mercenary forces or for that. we have. scene. a very cozy chose relationship building up between certain big powerful engineers i'm thinking of human rights watch a ministry international they're supposed to hear an objective quality which knowledge of standards equally and of course doesn't play excites we see these organizations as i see entering into an excessively cozy relationship with for example the united states government but also with other powerful western allies over libya and over other i

gadhafi had no friends anywhere. he couldn't get that assistance. with that support what are the mechanisms -- the levers we need to pull to make sure the assad regime in fact goes, or might that support not be enough to let them stay, as violently as they need to? >> i think the concerns that you indicated, congressman, are the concerns that we all share. part of the problem here is that assad still seems to maintain the loyalty of the military even though there have been significant defections, that the military seems loyal and they continue to strike back at the libyan people. even as this effort to try to achieve a cease-fire and try to reduce violence there we still see continuing artillery barrages, violating the whole effort. >> what hope is there to get russia and china to change their stance and be more aggressive pressuring the assad regime? >> i think the fact that -- obviously that was a concern when they initially voted against the security resolution that would have taken action here. but they have come around. they have supported the

wanted to sell nuclear power plants to gadhafi if any bomb to get out of iraq or you when you're a friendof nicolas sarkozy always and wary of her when she was the completely incoherent nature of nicolas sarkozy as for policy i think the intervention in libya was a necessary because gadhafi used his own fault. and bombs against his own people and that doesn't mean that was situation is now of stabilized we have zero of the movement of weapons and so build region is linked to the consequences of going to libya of course this helps to arm groups like al gore as a whole for your employer or you wouldn't get if some of the events in mali related to what happened in libya and therefore we need stabilization policies growth and development as a boy but there are two fronts as in to be able to help from the gadhafi regime the french development of the developing countries fell from a no point seven to not going to four percent of our g.d.p. so we give weapons but we don't help with development growth and job creation and as we know if there are weapons or no jobs there will be no more instabilit

an exclusive interview with the architect of gadhafi is down four and a frank look at the cost stand reasoning behind the rebellion there are too many. who have interests there he doesn't to and should be silenced for a view who is trying to buy it. he sent to leave and that's. one of them was which he was sent to france. providing some sense of the. world would win the solution with it who was killed by a foreign entity or libyans who were libyans in the air for the others they really don't know what. is the. real interests. just keep silent for a living. this is our see the ousted libyan leader who not only carried closely guarded secrets but was viewed by some as a stabilizing figure in the wider african continent mali now finds itself in the grip of violent crime arrest of a direct result of an influx of former pro kidnapping fighters from libya and ultimatum set up by west african countries are demanding mali's military junta hands back power to the country's civilian leadership expires on monday but military commanders seized power last week angry at the government's handling o

uprising against gadhafi said was wanted dead so that is secrets would die within the first time we've heard that could that be why they want to try could i think sunny libya too over what he might know. i'm not sure the m.d.c. have much power over the whereabouts of safeguard afeared my understanding is it was in town brigade in any case they were making deals with the m.d.c. in tripoli over trying not to split the country into little pieces though this is about luis moreno ocampo who is a really got himself into a muddle over this when libya wasn't even a signatory of the imperial criminal court or international criminal court maybe they were the reason why the satellite went down they seem to think they have jurisdiction over every country in africa. in tripoli trial in my hague is there a difference between the two. yes i think it's very important for sovereignty but it does put a spotlight on the international criminal court and we will must remember it's set up under the room statute in two thousand and two i think your viewers will know that there was a certain war that happened

nothing that was in the gadhafi inventory. we had in the end about 27 pages of facts and mammals, pictures -- facts and memos, pictures. nato was not interested in receiving them. b. presented this to them and give them several weeks to reply we presented this to them and gave them several weeks to reply. they did not contest. what did they change the policy at all? >> it is hard to tell. nato is an unusual organization that stands for on the surface transparency, civilian control of the military. yet when y go to nato and sable like to talk to about this particular event, there is anonymity whereby each country that participates in nato on the operational level announced -- anonymously. you do not know which country dropped the bomb. so each country and its public, the nation itself does not necessarily know. so when you go to nato they will say you have to talk to the host participating nations about this. the nation's say you have to talk to nato. at the end of the day while the campaign was mostly for size, there were a nu

. >> gadhafi. >> saddam. >> gadhafi. >> who's that?>. >> gadhafi. >> gadhafi, that's right. >> who's that? >> saddam hussein. >> saddam hussein. >> adolf hitler. >> adolf hitler is wrong. [ bleep ]. >> saddam. >> no longer with us. >> no. that's right. he's no longer with us. do you think people, humans, anywhere in the world, americans, anywhere, we should know about what's happening right now in syria? >> of course, yeah. >> why? >> because it's part of our world. >> the younger generation is more detached on what's going on across the borders. >> we can do better, can't we? who's that? >> say syria. >> who's that? >> syria. >> say assad. >> assad. >> check it out. >> thanks, ma'am. >> you're a crime fighter and these are criminals, right? >> yeah, definitely. >> killing their own people. >> this one is bashar al assad. >> right. all right. we're glad you're on the case. >> i'm on the case. i'm definitely looking out for them. >> thank you, batman. randi, the point is we should know what's happening and whenever it's happening. a guy

he didn't say gadhafi gave up his nuclear weapons, he said gadhafi gave up his nuclear technology. >>e not gadhafi, who was really a nut case, with all due respect to him and to his family. >> why due respect? >> a man should be respected, even though whatever he was. >> i want to move the conversation. >> i want to move the conversation because from the sort of details to the nuclear facility, to the kind of red ririt rhetoric tiqt's been building up. >> the oil prices. >> there's been a sort of really interesting grassroots movement that started in israel that sort of caught my attention on facebook. i thought it was an interesting manifestation of the civil society that you're talking about. it's called israel loves iran. it was an attempt at sort of person-to-person communication between israeli citizens and iranian citizens while their governments were talking about the standoff that was happening. i want to play a short tape, the israeli who started this, here he is explaining the undertaking. >> to the iranian people, to our father, mothers, children, brothers and sisters, for

events encouraged by his square in the military conflict in libya the lives of the overthrow moammar gadhafitoday the information war is focused on syria. journalist refeed looks he is rarely seen on the streets of damascus the man shown his public appearances wherever he goes he is followed by two armed bodyguards there's a reason for the caution a short while ago to an identified man fired on the car carrying the reporter for several months refeed has been waging his own information war the best as against cooktop reports concerning events in syria's hotspots such as the now world renowned city of homs i i don't think. we can now cross to our correspondent reporting from the field hospital. we are now at a medical unit located at one of the hospitals. there are a lot of wounded from the surrounding houses. you can see it with your illinois. sharma's staten. island jam him for having killed my younger sister. i'm blind because of him his wife must die. alone and then come on this video shows a field hospital of the so-called free army that says with a has been organized and equipped by cert