libya meant gadhafi. libya meant terrorism. >> pan am flight 103 went down in a blazing fireball. >> libya meant a bad place where a comical megaloma niccal dictator was the absolute power. nobody in libya, however, was laughing. >> reports of explosions. >> clashes between rioters and security forces. >> in 2011, what was previously unthinkable happened. the libyan people rose up and fought for their freedom. >> heavy battles raging around the libyan capital. >> they fought like hell. >> the rebels are about to force gadhafi's complete departure. >> they recorded the whole thing on their cell phones. >> libya! ♪ i took a walk in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ ♪ found something food in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ i felt the rain getting colder ♪ ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la-la ♪ >>> it's amazing arriving here after all you see on tv these days that libya is, in fact, functioning at all. but it is. the fountains across from the kornish are operating. traffic works

gadhafi turned up to open a shopping center. gadhafi turned up to open an envelope.e was another libya, wonderful people. we'd talk about it as you talk about a dead person. do you remember this? do you remember that? then in february 2011, suddenly there was resurrection. the dead came back to life. >> we meet at a libyan coffeehouse. a traditional male only sort of a joint. cafe culture is big here. a holdover from the days of italian colonization when mussolini tried to rebuild rome's long lost empire. >> it's just been the most amazing experience. seeing the rebirth of a country, of a people. >> i mean, last night's fireworks. there was a general sense of exuberance bordering on anarchy. i mean, i felt very happy there last night. if somewhat in peril. >> it's christmas. it's whatever, it's the fourth of july. rolled into one. but it also, there are people who trying to stop it, puritans, extremists and we won't say militants, but what has happened is that people want to come out in defiance of that. they're showing, we want to have fun. for a long time in libya,

what's happening in mali today could have happened without the overthrow of gadhafi and the situation in libya at the moment if france would not intervene militarily in libya in milch two thousand and eleven in order to eradicate the khadafi regime perhaps it would not have to come to mali intervene militarily in being engaged to them since last january what is happened to the libyan oil and gas reserves well since. the foreign. forces countries companies in seoul are so involved in libya's oil and gas industry they acted to minimize the damages. they succeeded. to rehabilitate. the oil production and export almost all their regional. extent during the regime yet this is not the only attention we should give to this particular subject because libya which is potentially so rich we all engulf a food here of neglected its industry should it needs it this brickley needs now a lot of foreign capital and know how in order to. give a real momentum to it in the story in the head of a lot of money in order to recover in the you have believe it's the damage it's ruined systems what's happened t

who provided weapons to libya who helped fight gadhafi it's western countries at some point who have decided to fight libya because colonel gadhafi had ideas to pull africa out of poverty very smart ideas and thinking of his money tree system and it was troubling west and american systems who had to get rid of him and that's what the western is did i believe that france and other european countries are responsible for crimes against humanity during the military intervention in libya which i always opposed to the belgian parliament today we see that the weapons can come from anywhere the rebels in syria also using weapons and they find them somewhere and who provides those weapons western countries those that countries like the usa england and belgium as of we provided we gave a lot of money for that opus ition they are not in opposition they are rebels on that but they a coup major. she's. now you've also strongly condemned the nine million euros in aid the belgian plans to give to syria now you were angry you say because it will be you think it will be given to the syrian opposition

saif gadhafi ill and although i suppose this is a new see if that becomes relevant rather than try and. right to have those men tried in the hague we're still awaiting that decision it may come out and everybody thinks that they will be compelled eventually to say that those people must be handed over for trial in the hague but you're quite right that thus far they have been singularly notional about the level of justice being offered in libya when for example in the kenya case they took a radically different approach and were highly critical of kenya and determined to keep kenya after the president for trial in the hay so yes different standards and very troubling and yet the international justice apparently not kept in touch and think this is all we have time for believe joined up again playing time here on the part. real damage and complexity of this oil spill is not something you can grasp just by looking at dirty birds we have between four to five million people in this directly affected area of the caus and it's pretty clear why it's not being reported because b.p. can't afford t

its people out of security in its border could it have been different if we rewind to just after gadhafi is of throwing who knows nobody can say yes or no course about they think of the the western intervention in libya was not necessary i think of that if gadhafi was still there under the circumstances of the arab spring libya could reach a quite different conditionals why what was that about international intervention that was so wrong the fact that it happened or the fact that it left a vacuum in its place i think it was premature to intervene in the libyan in turn are all cunts leaked. this internal conflict should have been. shaped by its own people without any foreign intervention particularly not such a military our tech that eradicated the production regime with out having the time to act for preparing alternatives for his regime the libyan society. is absent are of any civil societies there is no organized communication system there is no military now in libya there is no police now in libya it didn't bring. the results the western countries saw east on the contrary it brought a

to recover in the you have billy tate it's the damage it's ruined systems what's happened to the gadhafifamily i mean i know we're waiting for say to be tried do you think that trial is ever going to happen who knows what will be form all of this splendid family. actually there is the mother of the fia and her daughter the lawyer who. escaped to a junior tunisia to other places in the maghreb who survived there is a star the in the other son who escaped apparently by the help of the loyal touring during the rebellion tunisia and stayed. are and there is a fairly slum who is still imprisoned by the. the militias which refuses. the government to extradite him to do over sorties it's unbelievable story this is the illustration the optimal use of glacial police pillows and all the other sons of gadhafi. the other were killed during the rebuild you mentioned earlier the difference between what happened in libya and the international community not getting involved in syria and what you did say was that was different types of interests do you think they will be a tipping point that there will b

moammar gadhafi captured and killed in his hometown of cert. the u.s. keeps its embassy in tripoli, but sets up a diplomatic outpus in benghazi. the rebel strong hold president obama vowed to seay. the violence continues there says the state department's number two man . >> we had car bombings in benghazi. the assessment, this was libyan on libyan and not directed to foreigners. >> reporter: the villa on the west side of the city is moved into. a large residence, where a safe haven is built. you enter through a heavy metal grill with locks on it. security at the u.s. benghazi compound consists of five special security agents and four members of the march tirs brigade. ani islamic militia group. a mile away is the annex. more security there. based in trup o ed id in tripol around, is a department of defense special forces team, with spacial forces capability. >> spring of 2012, an uptick in terror attacks in libya. and they seemed to be targeting werners. >> reporter: despite two security incidents every three days, wood and his team are slated to leave

golding nor had anything to do that because i know a lot of people are speculating about that and gadhafi is kind of pursuit of that and you mentioned the currency kind of being developed by the you well i think you know it's like iraq they're off often multiple rational people say it isn't only the oil that was the issue in iraq when the u.s. invaded but but clearly the oil had a lot to do with it and i think also when it comes to africa you know the hell region is rich in oil but also your brain am without which nuclear power could be possible and we know quite frankly not only the u.s. but also france very much interested in accessing uranium for nuclear energy so it is these vital resources you know so i you know i cannot say it's a shift away from. that but i can say that the vital resources you know again it's like iraq it's not only iraq that where there's oil there's military money to military interest that is also the case for africa and we have to understand now that you know about a quarter of the oil coming to the united states as of two thousand and eight now comes from afric

the overthrow of gadhafi absolutely and you know why did those militias this time around fire live rounds at the protest as if those protests is really pose that much of a danger to them now is one of the wild west you have a militia as soon as the militias it's all of them a proper by the government others are not who for instance purposes manage the economy they manage what's going on the ground not the government and for that reason they want to show that they control that we recently we've seen them. and apply pressure on parliament just to change laws that that actually pushed former members of the gadhafi out of politics full stop so they can do this and they tend to do it on with the their stance this time around shows that they're frustrated with the people they don't getting the support they would have wished and then they don't seem to like to be on the back or in very much of our population that's really changed on that burnam i have he just said does the public have real reason therefore to fear these militia groups more and more well they feel and they don't trust them the co

libya meant gadhafi.flight 103 went down in a blazing fireball. >> libya, a bad place where a comical megalomaniacal dictator was the absolute power. nobody in libya, however, was laughing. >> reports of explosions. >> clashes between rioters and security forces. >> in 2011, what was previously unthinkable happened. the libyan people rose up and fought for their freedom. >> heavy battles raging around the libyan capital. >> they fought like hell. >> the rebels are about to force gadhafi's complete departure.

who provided weapons to libya who helped fight gadhafi it's western countries at some point who have decided to fight libya because colonel gadhafi had ideas to pull africa out of poverty very smart ideas and thinking into his monetary system and it was troubling western and american systems who had to get rid of him and that's what the western is did i believe that france and other european countries are responsible for crimes against humanity during the military intervention in libya which i always opposed to the belgian parliament today we see that the weapons can come from anywhere the rebels in syria are also using weapons and they find them somewhere and who provides those weapons western countries those that countries like the usa england.

libya meant gadhafi.ht 103 went down in a blazing fireball. >> libya, a bad place where a comical megalomaniacal dictator was the absolute power. nobody in libya, however, was laughing. >> reports of explosions. >> clashes between rioters and security forces. >> in 2011, what was previously unthinkable happened. the libyan people rose up and fought for their freedom. >> heavy battles raging around the libyan capital. >> they fought like hell. >> the rebels are about to force gadhafi's complete departure. >> they recorded the whole thing on their cell phones. >> libya!

who provided weapons to libya who helped fight gadhafi it's western countries at some point who have decided to fight libya because colonel gadhafi had ideas to pull africa out of poverty very smart ideas and thinking in his monetary system and it was troubling western and american systems who had to get rid of him and that's what the western is did i believe that france and other european countries are responsible for crimes against humanity during military the.

if you look at what happened to libya and the way we were able to build a coalition and force gadhafik a long time, and yes, dewas a long, brutal regime, but at the end of the day, there were no american boots on the ground and we weren't putting arms in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. >> the other issue here is that it doesn't really matter what they think. their hand might be forced at some point. syria, the government is going to miscalculate. they're already testing the use of chemical weapons to among other things test the west's tolerance for the use of chemical weapons. that might force the president's hand. if israel gets dragged in, if syrian mizz missiles start landing there, they might gedragged in. if jordan gets dragged in, we're going to get deeper in whether or not they want to. so they're predisposed to staying out, but events are pulling us closer. >> danny? >> if the standards are the ones that bill brought up about libya, we were brought in because the president said he wasn't going to sit by and see the libyan people mowed down from the air by gadhafi'

how now we see a guy named gadhafi. he's hiding in a storm sewer and ends up there. what do we want for the assad family? how do we want this to end on our big day where our military involvement in syria reaches fruition? >> a bunch of crazy people running around shooting at each other saying we won. we take off the head of the assad family and then what? what do we get out of this. >> afghanistan is a better example. we supported the mujahideen. they went in and eventually we had a problem in afghanistan because we thought at the beginning we don't like the communists and this is a way to get involved. >> is anybody doing what i'm doing, questioning this involvement? >> angus king, you and angus. >> independent senator from maine. >> a spokesman for the rebels in syria today said small arms may not be enough. they're making demands. "we welcome the decision but it is a late step." if they send small arms, how can they make a difference? they should help us with anti-tank and anti-aircraft and training and a no-fly zone thrown in. that's the assessment shared by some

into basically a regime change campaign with nato aircraft flying missions where they're out to kill gadhafi and you know from a russian perspective from a chinese perspective i think from a decent international legal perspective that is and it does say the least an extremely problematic scenario and russia and china were not about to let this scenario repeat itself in syria and you know as far as you know the united states doing. what was necessary early on i mean there is this small matter of sovereignty there is this small matter of international law that says you only get to use force when the security council authorizes or under a fairly narrow interpretation of self-defense in the un charter the united states has no right it may have a hedge of monic parag it ever think it does but it has no right to impose no fly zones over sovereign states in order to get rid of a leader that it doesn't like ok judith when you want to reply to that. first of all no fly zone would do that to be an international effort secondly it wasn't to get it would not have been intended to get rid of the leader i

it happened in benghazi, home of the uprising against former leader moammar gadhafi. protesters are demanding the libya shield brigade disband and lay down its weapons. south africans anxiously following the progress of their former president nelson mandela who is back to the hospital for a fourth time in seven months. the94-year-old movement -- 94-year-old hero of the adi par five movement is in serious but stable condition after a lung infection. harry, do we have any further information about his condition >? >> a government spokesperson said he might be talking to doctors later, but he will only release another update on nelson mandela's condition if the changes. they have to wait for the government to release another statement on how the former president nelson mandela is doing. this is the last time we saw nelson mandela resting at his home in april. president jacob zuma and the african national congress leaders were there. his appearance and behavior was consistent with a man of his age. but for several days, he has been sick with a recurring lung infection. do

until libya now that is preparing to appeal against demands from the hague to hand over colonel gadhafi son saif al islam for alleged war crimes and they want to have him tried at home but the international crimes court. they say there is no evidence that investigators in libya even looking into the same charges linked to libya's armed uprising in two thousand and eleven saif al islam who is still being held by the rebels who called him has threatened to reveal damaging evidence of financial corruption involving some of europe's biggest leaders. and three people are dead and several more are missing as devastating floods sweep central europe the czech republic has been hardest hit with one home collapsing outside prague killing two authorities have declared a state of emergency in soldiers in the capital of piling up sandbags in attempt to save the old center from the water the heavy rainfall also triggered deadly landslides in austria and homes are being evacuated across southern germany austria and switzerland. news that an israeli amusement park has been opening up on separate days f

libya is preparing to challenge demands from the hague to hand over colonel gadhafi son saif al islam for alleged war crimes saying he should be tried at home by the international criminal court argues that there is no evidence that investigators in libya are even looking into the same charges linked to libya's uprising in twenty eleven saif al islam who is still being held by the rebels who caught him as threatening to reveal damaging evidence of financial corruption involving some of europe's biggest leaders. or coming up after the break you're a nazi a continuation of the crusades or an unacknowledged timeless war the decline of christians in the middle east up for debate or crossed. told him a language of what i will only react to situations i have read the reports i'm likely to put the no i will leave them to the state department to comment on your latter point of the month to say to mr kerry a car is on the docket no god. no thank you no more weasel words. when you made a direct question be prepared for a change when you find you should be ready for a. freedom of speech a little

the newspaper article that gadhafi is, in fact, dead. can we report that? i haven't seen his korps. can with you report the groups were disproportionately targeted. that's what i've read in newspapers. >> there were two problems here. one the treasury inspector general report upon which this is all based was specifically tasked with looking at the targeting of conservative groups. they looked at the targeting conservative groups. the second problem, it is a fact, a lot of the information out there in the stories that have been published and you have read have been provided by republicans on the house oversight committee. >> it's not like me. >> everyone. >> not like it's only been on red states. >> everyone. but the problem is it's been selectively released information. we're getting a fuller story. there is a macro story that has to be addressed was this done at the behess of the obama administration and campaign. if progressives are on this bolo lists which is true, it seems odd the obama administration would ask the irs to also screen

government sanctioned armed groups to be immediately disbanded two years after the fall of moammar gadhafi militias are still dominate parts of libya and have increasingly tried to shape the country's politics africa affairs expert aiyar johnson has says people have every reason to be afraid of the gunmen the militias seem to be controlling the ground they are dictating the pace of reforms and and of course they look like excessive pressure on the government to carry arms have relied on the militia some of them at least provoke their ranks and short their positions so out this just shows that the militias are not trusted by the people the people who want to claim back their life and they want to claim back their own democracy they feel and they don't trust them they concerned about their guns because they last year they tried to demonstrate in revolt against all the vote of their communities these militias clear go lower. the newly sworn in the pakistani prime minister has summoned to the u.s. envoy a drone strike killed seven men in the northwest of the country the attack comes just days

you were to ask regular libyans whether or not their lives are better today than they were under gadhafi i think we all know what the answer to that would be i think the other question would be if you ask syrians the same question you might get a very similar answer look if you're looking at libya the plight of the black libyans is almost unheard of in the western narrative there was genocide and ethnic cleansing that took place in libya that is still being removed from the narrative what we might see in syria i think if you can guess what had happened with secularism destroyed. the facts wrong what about the place where good you got the facts wrong about libya not about me in less than you were in libya i was there just a few weeks ago and it's all family members few weeks ago how do we know that it. all right gentlemen we're almost out of time let me say today in of syria that the situation in libya is that the central government doesn't have enough power right and that the periphery be it in syria or some islamists in the south the southwest are challenging the center with things like

under gadhafi again whatever its flaws was a fairly tolerant it a fairly multicultural state again it was destroyed into and now into a kind of series of warring militias so. the united yes it professes democracy but in reality it destroys the very states that tend to. embody suppose that american values then than the need allies do and of course there's the the eight hundred pound which is israel ok bruce there's a late i just want fishes eight hundred pound gorilla. here i mean that you know as far as the end of the year in the middle east the arabs in the world think this is an absolutely outraged that the united states professes to be an honest broker and you know advocating peace in the middle east when it unreservedly supports israeli policy ok lott said there bruce go ahead. but i mean i do think we risk here putting this issue us in a situation where it's damned if you do and damned if it don't and other words there was implicit george's implicit suggestion was that the tacit u.s. lack of opposition to assad or to khadafi in the latter years suggested that. that that that was

fighters which still wield significant power in the area the libyan government remains weak since mom or gadhafi was deposed leaving it relied on in the path of militias to enforce security to. cleanup has begun after hundreds of riders rampage through a city on the indonesian island of sumatra angry their candidate a loss narrowly in a mayoral election violence began when protesters reportedly blew up a business in the center of palembang before looting nearby shops two people have been arrested and troops have been deployed to the area. i think twice before you tweet as advice from police and media experts in the wake of a number of recent arrests in the u.k. for posting a fans of messages on twitter our london correspondent sarah firth reports on how british police are playing catch up when it comes to laying down the law and how to counter abusive online comments. we trust our officers with a baton we trust some of the c.i. sprit and yet for some reason we can't trust some of the twitter account in the wake of the recent will it murder a number of arrests were made across the country after p

between the population on the military has been on the rise in benghazi since the ousting of colonel gadhafi two years ago. up last second that chemical plant in louisiana and as many days has killed at least one person and injured seven others the accident occurred as explosive nitrogen was being moved but in from the international action center told r.t. the companies and politicians often accuse of turning a blind eye to a disaster when profits are at risk. louisiana is what's called a right to work state in the united states right to work being you know euphemism for being that the workers are not allowed the form of close shop contract and so there's that there's hostile anti union legislation that makes it very difficult for workers to organize and to form unions so as a result of that it's much more likely that that the working conditions in such factories where that are non-unionized in states where there's a culture of anti-union politics it's much more likely that they would they would have these kinds of accidents really you know industry is organized to make profits for a small g