libya meant gadhafi. libya meant terrorism. >> pan am flight 103 went down in a blazing fireball. >> libya meant a bad place where a comical megalomaniacal dictator was the absolute power. nobody in libya, however, was laughing. >> reports of explosions. >> clashes between rioters and security forces. >> in 2011, what was previously unthinkable happened. the libyan people rose up and fought for their freedom. >> heavy battles raging around the libyan capital. >> they fought like hell. >> the rebels are about to force gadhafi's complete departure. >> they recorded the whole thing on their cell phones. >> libya! ♪ i took a walk in this beautiful world ♪ ♪ felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ ♪ looking for something good ♪ in this beautiful world ♪ i felt the rain getting colder ♪ ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la ♪ sha-la-la-la-la ♪ >>> it's amazing arriving here after all you see on tv these days that libya is, in fact, functioning at all. but it is. the fountains across from the corniche are operating. traffic

escaped during a prison riot have been recaptured in libya as the son of the ousted leader moammar gadhafi still awaits trial with tripoli refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court. and private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring a robot that tech tips to steal their clients' private data adding to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by recent snooping leaks. thanks for tuning in this hour one pm here in the russian capital i'm lucy catherine ellis and you're watching r.t. well on to our top story now after having forced through further austerity measures greece is set to receive its next bailout installment now it took the government a lot of effort to please its creditors greece's parliament had approved the cards after european partners threatened to pull out at the last minute now the bailout comes at the expense of thousands of private sector jobs a rescue loan of about four billion euros will come from the eurozone and the european central banks meanwhile the i.m.f. is also expected to stump up a further one point eight billion dollars in order to

when asked about the next step in getting their hands were gadhafi said the i.c.c. told us that they could inform the un security council as to possible further actions so somewhat vague response there backing up maybe then some experts claims that saif al islam will never leave his native country for the british ambassador to libya agrees with that. the fact is that the libyans will not hand him over a lot of good reasons for that. so if we. could face two different sort of charges he could face charges relating to what happened in the revolution in two thousand and eleven and that's what he would face if he would extradited and handed over to the international criminal court but in addition to that he may well be charged with for example stealing vast amounts of money very large assets have been frozen by by the security council and by the libyan authorities i think it's quite possible that will be some some arrangements but he should be tried in libya and those charges which are of interest to international criminal court the international criminal court would ha

intervention which toppled colonel gadhafi. well meanwhile hay son of the deposed leader saif al islam is set to stand trial for war crimes allegedly committed during the twenty eleven uprising he set free hearing in libya in august despite the international criminal court's demand that he be handed over to the hague let's take a closer look shall we at the man and his story educated in london saif al islam was seen as a crucial figure in building relations between libya and the west but all changed in early twenty one when protests broke out against the forty two year rule of moammar gadhafi saif al islam and his father were accused of crimes against humanity and in the ensuing crackdown the i.c.c. issued arrest warrants just a few months later than the libyan leader moammar gadhafi we all recall those pictures was brutally killed by the rebels the chief i.c.c. prosecutor confirmed informal talks about the surrender of the younger gadhafi was eventually captured by a rebel group and apparently had parts of his fingers amputate

explosions jailbreaks and intransigence over justice post gadhafi levy a insurers more deadly chaos while tripoli refuses to hand over the dead leaders son to the hague for trial. and britain considers. revealing over one hundred companies accused of paying private investigators to illegally obtain klein's personal data past pressure from furious m.p.'s mounts. four pm in moscow watching r t with me marina josh welcome to the program now greece has got its next desperately need a bailout installment approved by the skin of its teeth the money comes as the expense of thousands of public sector jobs even though prime ministers tamara says he stop objective during the country's upcoming presidency is an economy free from the scourge of unemployment well the rescue loan of four billion a year as will come from the eurozone and the european central bank the i.m.f. is also expected to hand out a further one point eight billion together money athens has to fire four thousand civil servants by the end of the year while twenty five thousand more must be redeployed rescue funds have been crucial fo

explosion jailbreaks an intransigent soviet justice post gadhafi libya in june is more deadly chaos while tripoli refuses to hand over the dead leaders son to the hague for trial. and britain to consider is revealing over one hundred companies suspected of paying private investigators who then illegally obtained clients' personal data as pressure from furious m.p.'s man's. kevin owen here with you this hour at r.t. thanks for your company the top story the increase is scott its next desperately needed bailout installment approved by the skin of its teeth the money comes at the expense of thousands of public sector jobs though even as prime minister somare says his top objective june the country's upcoming presidency is an economy free from the scourge of unemployment with a rescue loan of four billion euros will come from the eurozone or the european central bank the i.m.f. source are expected to hand out a further one point eight billion to to get the money though athens has to fire four thousand civil servants by the end of the year while twenty five thousand more must be redeployed res

almost two years since the toppling of his father the son of moammar gadhafi still awaits trial libya is refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court amid fears that he's facing a death sentence on. private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring rogue detectives to steal their clients' private data adding to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by recent snooping leaks and. through involved at all the whole it's just tends to make them more alcoholic going to affect them and improve their condition. struggles to curate feeling economy with the bailout cash we try to find out whether the billions of euros have been of any help. thanks so much for tuning in this hour i'm lucy casanova of course you're watching our team well on to our top story now nearly two years after moammar gadhafi was overthrown and killed in libya his son so you follow islam is yet to stand trial for alleged war crimes committed during the twenty eleven uprising now he is set for a hearing in libya in august but international criminal court judges fear that he won't receive a fair tria

issues arrest warrants and just a few months later the libyan leader moammar gadhafi was killed by the rebels now the chief i.c.c. prosecutor confirmed that informal talks about the surrender of the younger gadhafi he was eventually captured by a rebel group and apparently had parts of his fingers be tainted libyan authorities had wanted a trial in tripoli but the i.c.c. had demanded that he not be handed over to the hague a request which was eventually rejected for delegates from the court or detained in libya for a month after attempting to get documents to him get off the sun has made two appearances in a libyan court and the i.c.c. again rejected libya's efforts to hold that trial by themselves before the latest on the situation here is artie's mostly are. although the international criminal

explosions jailbreaks and intransigence over justice post gadhafi libya in june was more deadly chaos while tripoli refuses to hand over the dead leader's son to the hague for trial. and britain considers revealing over one hundred companies accused of paying private investigators to illegally obtain clients personal data as pressure from furious m.p.'s mouths. even this is r t it's kevin owen here with me this hour our top story that greece has got its next desperately needed bailout installment approved by the skin of its teeth the money comes at the expense of thousands of public sector jobs though even though promises simyra says his top objectives are in the country's upcoming presidency is quote an economy free from the scourge of unemployment well the rescue load of four billion euros will come from the eurozone the european central bank the i.m.f. so also expected to hand out a further one point eight billion to top it up as well to get the money though athens has to fire four thousand civil servants by the end of the year while twenty five thousand more must be redeployed res

almost two years since the toppling of his father the son of moammar gadhafi still awaits trial with libya refusing to hand him over to international criminal court amid fears that he's facing a death sentence back at home. private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring road detectives to steal their client's private data adding more fuel to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by recent snooping leaks. and the ill effects of austerity thousands of greeks are getting hooked on a cheap and deadly drug with billions of euros in bailout cash still not enough to cure the country's alien economy. unless he kept it up and thanks for tuning in to our team well we begin with our top story nearly two years after moammar gadhafi was overthrown and killed in libya his son saif all islam is yet to stand trial for alleged war crimes committed during the twenty eleven uprising now he is set for a hearing in libya in august but international criminal court judges fear that he won't receive. meanwhile defying an i.c.c. ruling by refusing to hand him over to the hague insisting on a trial

issued arrest warrants just a few months later in the libyan leader moammar gadhafi was brutally killed by the rebels the chief i.c.c. prosecutor confirmed and formal talks about the surrender of the younger gadhafi he was eventually captured by a rebel group and apparently had parts of his fingers. leaving authorities wanted to trial in tripoli but the i.c.c. demanded he be handed over to the hague a request which was rejected for delegates from the court were detained in media for a month after attempting to get documents to him could have the son has made two appearances in libyan cords and the i.c.c. has again ruled against libya's efforts to hold a trial by themselves for the latest on the situation here is r.t. spotlessly are. although the international criminal court has ruled that libya must extradite safe islam to the hague so that he can face charges of crimes against humanity the libyans won't allow it they want to try him at home nick kaufman who is a former israeli lawyer hired by gadhafi daughter aisha says he needs to be handed to the i.c.c. on the basis of a real securit

escaped during a prison riot have been recaptured in libya this as the son of alstad leader moammar gadhafi still awaits trial with tripoli refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court. and private companies in the u.k. argues do of hiring rogue detectives to steal their client's private data adding to the blanket surveillance concerns on leash by recent snooping leaks. to pm in moscow you're watching r.t.l. marina joshie welcome to the program. after having forced through further astaire the measure is greece is set to receive its next bailout installment it took the government a lot of africa to please its creditors greece's parliament approved the cuts after european partners threatened to pull out at the last minute while the bailout comes at the expense of souses of public sector jobs a rescue loan of four billion euros will come from the euro zone and european central banks the i.m.f. is also expected to stump up a further one point eight billion to get the loans athens will have to fire four thousand civil servants by the end of the year while twenty five thousand mo

almost two years since the toppling of his father the son of moammar gadhafi still awaits trial with libya refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court with fears that he's facing a death sentence at home. private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring rogue detectives to steal their clients' private data adding more fuel to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by of the recent snooping leaks. and the ill effects of austerity thousands of briefs are getting hooked on a cheap and deadly drug as the government presses on with the severe financial that . they're watching aren't with me lucy catherine of well nearly two years after moammar gadhafi was overthrown and killed in libya his son saif all islam has yet to stand trial for alleged war crimes committed during the two thousand and eleven uprising now he said for a hearing in libya in august but international criminal court judges fear that he won't receive a fair trial there libya is meanwhile defying an i.c.c. ruling by refusing to hand him over to the hague and insisting on a trial at home let's take

won't allow it they want to try him at home nick kaufman who is a former israeli lawyer hired by gadhafi is altec a set says he needs to be handed to the i.c.c. on the basis of the real security council decision and security council gave the international criminal court the mandate to investigate crimes are committed in libya after the revolution international criminal court carrying out the will and the wish of the international community investigated the matter and issued two warrants for arrest one for safely. if the libyans wish to try these two people that is their right but they have to request. permission to do so from the international criminal court the libyan government has challenged the white of the international criminal court to try safe it argues that the hague based court has no jurisdiction because it only intervenes if the local justice system is not functioning and those ruling libya say that they justice system is operating well but professor who did one man who is an expert on the disagreements he says the country is in a state of collapse. i am not sure that it will

moammar gadhafi captured and killed in his hometown of cert. the u.s. keeps its embassy in tripoli, but sets up a diplomatic outpus in benghazi. the rebel strong hold president obama vowed to seay. the violence continues there says the state department's number two man . >> we had car bombings in benghazi. the assessment, this was libyan on libyan and not directed to foreigners. >> reporter: the villa on the west side of the city is moved into. a large residence, where a safe haven is built. you enter through a heavy metal grill with locks on it. security at the u.s. benghazi compound consists of five special security agents and four members of the march tirs brigade. ani islamic militia group. a mile away is the annex. more security there. based in trup o ed id in tripol around, is a department of defense special forces team, with spacial forces capability. >> spring of 2012, an uptick in terror attacks in libya. and they seemed to be targeting werners. >> reporter: despite two security incidents every three days, wood and his team are slated to leave

. >> but saving benghazi from gadhafi was not the end of that story. at that moment, in a jail cell in southern california, a czech former meth cooker was working on a loopy scheme that would one day command international attention. it employed a low budget comically inept movie he called desert warrior. he produced it when he was paroled in june 2011. federal authorities would only allow us an interview with him over the phone. >> when you began to make this film, what was your intent? >> it just gives a message to the world. be careful. evil coming from the east. >> what was the nature of that evil? >> it is terrorism. >> when it peaked at the peak of obama's re-election campaign, this capitolic christian and his film became part of a smoke screen of what happened on 9/11. >> one of the principle unanswered questions is where did the story about the muhammad video come from? >> is it imaginable to you that the president of the united states having a conversation about what story are we going to concoct to explain this? >> the conduct of the top leade

j-lo is in this category with mariah carriy, who sung nor -- sung for gadhafi.y don't have staff to do the research. >> neil: outside of hair and makeup. >> i wont to propose these celebrities should hire people like you and me who have commonsense and know what's going on in the world, who can give them actual guidance and advice where to go and what to do. they don't have people like that. >> neil: i would have says, j-lo, you don't knee third. >> or say you'll take 50%. >> she is a beautiful person. doesn't need this. she is not the first star to have been trapped in something like this. does it really hurt her with her fan base? >> i don't think so. although i will say, mariah carey when she sang for the gadhafis and the scandal broke, she gave back her appearance fee which i think was a million dollars she donated it to charity in j low's case, she can nip the case in a bud and salvage her rep be -- reputation. if she doesn't need the million dollars. >> neil: did remind me of researching the big money, governments off all sort will pay, or big -- to have a

it was the site of the very first protests against moammar gadhafi that led to his ousting. the explosions follow a prison break there yesterday where more than 1,000 prisoners escaped. more than 80 people are dead and 800 others are injuries. it began yesterday when supporters of mohamed morsi tried to hold a sit in camp. this is the deadliest outbreak of violence since july 3rd. the violence hits home for many in the bay area. dozens gathered in downtown san jose. they hope to show their opposition to the kcoup. >> we're here today to say we want the process, we don't want someone to just come up and destroy it. just baezertfied to express ourselves. ? they believe it's much higher than what is currently being reported. >>> some people in great britain are pressuring twitter to make it easier to report abuse on the social media site. more than 30,000 people have signed an online petition. a woman says she was repeatedly threatened with rape after a tweet. twitter's general manager from the u.k. say they take online abuse seriously and they promised to suspend all accounts

government but from libyan leader moammar gadhafi. >> i am asking for help of arab rulers, especiallydent moammar gadhafi, because he's known for helping those who are suffering. >> it takes nearly a year before the u.s. government has enough intelligence to act safely. there's no guarantee hallums will even be alive once they get there. but on september 7, 2005, it's go time. a daring raid in broad daylight, and the soldiers' helmet cams capture every adrenalin-fueled moment. >> i heard helicopters, and at first it sounds normal, helicopters just flying by. the helicopters started getting louder, and then it felt like they were landing on top of the house. i heard a lot of yelling and running. and then i heard somebody hitting on this door. i didn't know if it was somebody there to rescue me or trying to kill me. the door falls in. this american soldier jumps down in the room, and he points at me and he says, are you roy? and i said, yes. and he says, come on. we're getting out of here. one of the special forces guys handed me a flag and said whenever we're able to rescue someone, we

security is important because we know a lot of weapons came into molly after the fall of colonel gadhafi in libya. those weapons are being used across central africa. of the biggest untapped natural resources in the world and there are fighters althe desert there linked to qaeda. the french troops are particularly concerned about them. all the eyes of the world are watching this election closely. >> thank you. to egypt now, where the interim minister has spoken to antimilitary for testers. his are fueling fears of a crack down. supporters of the deposed president, hamed morsi, are continuing their demonstration. they have vowed to stay put until morsi is reinstated. the interim prime minister issued this warning. graduates will witness a dawn participate and create a new dawn that gives police and military popular legitimacy and a popular mandate to face with full force and decisiveness anyone who thinks about destroying the stability and security of this nation. by engaging in criminal or terrorist acts, believing he can implement his plans to terrorize people or threaten the safety. ni

captured in libya the son of the ousted leader moammar gadhafi still awaits trial. to hand them over to the international criminal court. and private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring detectives. adding to the blanket surveillance unleashed by recent weeks.

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cache of weapons from libya both weapons that came from the west as well as weapons that were part of gadhafi is caches and then made their way across the borders into money to actually create havoc not only in mali put throughout the region u.s. politicians ability to do background checks on those who they backed has been compromised a number of times in the past whether it was with osama bin laden or with syrian kidnappers and criminals in senator mccain's photo album his office later issued a statement saying the senator did not know the rebels by their names when he agreed to take a photo with them it shows the utter confusion and. inability to determine who the good guys are and who the bad guys are the obama administration claims that it is sited to flood syria with more weapons because the u.s. has evidence that the syrian government has used chemical weapons the u. when in the meantime says it has no proof as to who used chemical weapons in syria and there are indications that chemical weapons went to turkey and into the hands of the emotional. states in terms of looking at that you d

escaped during a prison riot have been recaptured in libya as the son of the ousted leader moammar gadhafistill awaits trial with tripoli refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court. and private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring a robot that tech tips to steal their clients' private data adding to the blanket surveillance from cern's unleashed by recent snooping leaks.

breathing new life into ruins libyan officials want to transform the rubble of the late leader colonel gadhafi as residents into a family recreation area that story and much more for you at r.t. dot com. news just in for you. the russian attorney who is acting on behalf of edward snowden said that it is possible that the whistleblower could apply for russian citizenship but as he has not include excluded the possibility of on italy could have added it is unlikely the fugitive will be denied temporary asylum in russia snowden had earlier filed an official request for that temporary asylum after more than three weeks in limbo of it within the transit zone in moscow's sheremetyevo airport. the u.s. government is facing domestic pressure over a court ruling that has sparked public outrage thousands of protesters have taken to the streets in cities all across the united states following the acquittal of george zimmerman a neighborhood watch volunteer in florida who had faced second degree murder charges over the killing of an unarmed black teenager trayvon martin last year now law professor charles

escaped during a prison riot have been recaptured in libya this as the son of alstad leader moammar gadhafi still awaits trial with tripoli refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court. and private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring the rogue detectives to steal their client's private data adding to the blanket surveillance concerns on leash by recent snooping leaks.

almost two years since the toppling of his father the son of moammar gadhafi still awaits trial with libya refusing to hand him over to international criminal court amid fears that he's facing a death sentence back home. private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring road detectives to steal their client's private data adding more fuel to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by recent snooping leaks. and the ill effects of austerity thousands of greeks are getting hooked on a cheap and deadly drug with billions of euros in bailout cash still not enough to cure the country's alien economy.

of course have been involved in libya security council resolution to protect civilians against gadhafi that of course has been escalated in some respects it lead eventually to regime change so what you're saying is that they. are. didn't take into call the potential severity of the circumstances so they miscalculated the impact of their judgment what it was like do you think they understood that it could actually prolong the war well in libya actually the intervention helped to shut down the comp but it was very clear from the very beginning that syria is not libya and i think most political scientists even at that point were saying that you know i think that there has been a failure too early going to how do you intervene when you have a position which may be considered to have legitimate you know concerns to going to . recognize their concerns are legitimate but it's something else entirely to recognize that as the legitimate representatives of the syrian people and to. totally recreate the other side of this that still enjoys the support of a significant proportion of the syrian pop

reviving the ruins libyan officials want to transform the rubble of the late leader colonel gadhafi is residents into a family recreation area get the story out r.t. dot com. us laws on self defense gun control and racism apparently need revamping that is according to the country's attorney general thousands had rallied across america over the past few days since the acquittal of george zimmerman a florida man who had killed a black teenager trayvon martin last year now this was ruled to be a case of self-defense even though trayvon was unarmed law professor charles rose says that it's not about race but gun control. the road to ease with which you can not only purchase a weapon but then use that weapon to defend yourself in the state of florida in approximately twenty other states is really what led to this tragedy not the issue of race i prefer to think that what it gets us in the united states to do is to what we as a nation of immigrants always need to do to talk about how we come together and that issue of race is an issue that's always present within the united states and it give

obviously you have to do it consistently you can sort of you know kind of go hot against moammar gadhafi so this won't alter a change in libya here and you know go out against russia. but kind of you know all right. resetting on russia if you like because it's because you're going to go anyway to global business influence that right unfortunately we are out of time thank you for weighing in there with their point of view the political expert and the head of the european geopolitical form murat cetera thank you you thank. of course if you missed any of our coverage catch up at r.t. dot com also there are updates as well as the best pictures from the protests against the verdict and check out our correspondents on twitter keeping an eye out on the latest news. a u.s. judge has ruled that bradley manning must face the charge of aiding the enemy in a decision that means the whistleblower could spend the rest of his life behind prison walls the defense had argued that manning sent a trove of classified information to wiki leaks to spark a reform and debate or to use less wall has been closely

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got the story off how officials in libya want to transform the rubble of the late leader moammar gadhafi as residents into a family recreation area block on to r t v dot com. the u.s. government is facing domestic pressure over a court ruling that has sparked public outrage thousands of protesters have taken to the streets in cities all across the country following the acquittal of george zimmerman a neighborhood watch volunteer in florida who had faced second degree murder charges over the killing of an unarmed black teenager trayvon martin last year now law professor charles rose says that aside from racial profiling issues the case has highlighted the need for tighter gun controls. the roots of ease with which you could not only purchase a weapon but then use that weapon to defend yourself in the state of florida in approximately twenty other states is really what led to this tragedy not the issue of race i prefer to think that what it gets us in the united states to do is to what we as a nation of immigrants always need to do to talk about how we come together and that issue of race

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com reviving the ruins libyan officials want to transform now the rubble of the late leader colonel gadhafi is residents into a family recreation area. robot to the rescue this mechanical god could soon be saving lives in disaster areas says the pentagon's advanced research department all programmers have to do now is to get some brigades and their starts the at the big job because you can read more about that. u.s. laws on self-defense gun control and racism need revamping according to the country's attorney general thousands have rallied across america in the past few days since the cradle of george zimmerman the florida man who killed black teenager trayvon martin last year it was ruled to be self-defense even though trayvon was an armed law professor charles rose says it's not about race it's about gun control. the road to ease with which you can not only purchase a weapon but then use that weapon to defend yourself in the state of florida in approximately twenty other states is really what led to this tragedy not the issue of race i prefer to think that what it gets us in the united st

almost two years since the toppling of his father the son of moammar gadhafi still awaits trial libya. refusing to hand him over to the international criminal court made fears that he was facing a death sentence on home. private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring detectives to steal their client's private data adding to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by recent snooping leaks and. through involved at all the whole likes just tends to make them more alcoholic and it doesn't affect them and improve their overall condition. struggles to cure it failing economy with the bailout cash we try to find out whether the billions of euros have been of any help.

almost two years since the toppling of his father the son of moammar gadhafi still awaits trial but libya refusing to hand him over. the international criminal court fears that he's facing a death sentence at home. private companies in the u.k. are accused of hiring rogue detectives to steal their client's private data that is more fuel to the blanket surveillance concerns unleashed by of the recent snooping leaks. and the ill effects of austerity thousands of briefs are getting hooked on a cheap and deadly drug as the government press along with its severe financial.

given the experience of what happened to the gadhafi libyan stockpile to which the uk made a contribution, and given also that in this part of the world, arms are seen not merely for their military value, but also for their money value, and are seen as tradeable items, is it not the case that there can be no absolutely no certainty that if the british government undertakes the supply of lethal military equipment to the opposition in syria, that that equipment is going to remain in the hands of those 0 to whom it is sent. >> well, this would be one of the factors to consider under any -- if the government was to make any decision to try to do so or parliament was to debate it, which it would have every opportunity to debate. i imagine those concerns would be part of the questions that would then be raised about. and part of the argumes against giving any arms to anybody. it's not been, as you know, it's not been our approach so far tore send arms into any of these conflicts in the middle east. we enter veebed directly ourselves in libyaened a u.n. resolution. but we did not supply arms dur