and in august after the gadhafi government fell, gadhafi left tripoli and he went into hiding in sert. in in september, we radio he open our embassy and chris stevens stayed in benghazi. does that sound like an accurate summary of the summer of 2011? >> it does sound accurate except i'm not sure exactly the duration of ambassador stevens' presence in benghazi during those months. >> well, that leads to my next question. what was your plan for the mission in the fall of 2011 and going forward? what were the discussions you had and who did you have those discussions with about the mission of benghazi going forward in 2011? >> well, as you may have heard, congresswoman, the e-mail that congresswoman sanchez introduced into the record was from the fall of 2011. and there was quite a discussion going on between officials in the state department, in the intelligence community, in both washington and libya about the path forward. the transitional national council had been based in benghazi. and there was a dispute even within the libyans themselves as to whether they would split the governme

and then in august after the gadhafi government fell, gadhafi left tripoli where gadhafi had been head quartered and went into hiding in sirte. once that happened, the tnc moved their benghazi headquarters over to tripoli. and then in september, we reopened our embassy in tripoli and the ambassador returned. he was evacuated previously. and chris stevens stayed in benghazi. . is that an accurate summary of the summer of 2011? >> it does sound accurate except i'm not sure the duration of ambassador steven's presence in benghazi during those months. >> that leads to my next question. what was your plan for the mission in the fall of 2011 and going forward? what were the discussions you had and who did you have those discussions with about the mission of benghazi going forward in 2011? >> well, as you may have heard, congresswoman, the e-mail that congresswoman sanchez introduced into the record was from the fall of 2011. and there was quite a discussion going on between officials in the state department, in the intelligence community, in both washington and lub ya about the path forward.

gadhafi was removed? >> we mad a number of documents.d a long list of areas that we were working on, and the process for following up on those areas. don't know if it was one document or a dozen documents but we had lot of work ongoing, both at the state department and at usaid. >> did you have a team work on that or if it was just something that was happening of its own accord? >> we had a number of people working on that. there were -- as i said i sent both deputies out to libya to immediate with the libyans. we can do all the plan we want in washington but it's important to ask the libyans what they want and what they expect from us? so we had an ongoing dialogue that lasted over many months. >> yes, ma'am. agree with that. we can talk about nat a bit. i yield back. >> the chair will now recognize the generalle lady from illinois, miss duckworth. >> thank you, mr. chairman. secretary clinton, my line of questioning will be boring because i'm going to get some details that have to deal with security and how we can better safeguard amer

gadhafi was removed? >> we had a number of documents. we had a long list of areas that we were working on and the process for following up on those areas. i don't know if it was one document or a dozen documents, but we had a lot of work that was ongoing. both at the state department and at usaid. >> and did you ask for those documents to be prepared? do you know if you had a team working on that or if it was something that was happening of its own accord? >> we had a number of people that were working on it. as i said, i sent both of my deputies out to libya to meet with the libyans. you know, we can do all the planning we want in washington, but it's very important to did the libyans both what they want and what they expect from us. and so we had an ongoing dialogue that lasted over many months. >> yes, ma'am, i agree with that. we'll get a chance to talk about that in a bit. i yield back. >> the chair will now recognize the gentle lady from illinois, miss duckworth. >> thank you, mr. chairman. secretary clinton, i apologize. my line o

this week is the fourth anniversary since the death of gadhafi. now the place is in chaos and no one is looking back at the u.s. policy, apart from the international coalition, but it was part of secretary clinton's policy. why isn't anybody asking questions about that? >> i think that was addressed to some degree today. some of the republican congress members asked about the rationale for the intervention, also the aftermath, after gadhafi fell, was there a plan. but i think what we heard forcefully and effectively from secretary clinton today as well as at the democratic debate last week, this really espouses her world view. she was an advocate for intervention in 2011 in the obama administration because she believed, along with many others including the current u.s. ambassador in the u.n., samantha power, susan rice and other, that if we did not intervene in libya with the support of allies in europe and the arab world, we ran the risk of gadhafi regime forces regaining turf and possibly committing war crime against benghazi, a city of 700,000.

then in august after the gadhafi government fell, gadhafi went over into -- he left tripoli, where gadhafi had been headquartered and he went into hiding in sirte. once that happened the tnc moved their benghazi headquarter over to tripoli. then in september we reopened our embassy in tripoli and ambassador kretz returned. he'd been evacuated previously. does that sound like an accurate summary of the summer of 2011? >> it does sound accurate except i'm not sure exactly the duration of ambassador stevens' presence in benghazi during those months. >> well, that leads to my next question. what was your plan for the mission in the fall of 2011 and going forward? what were the discussions you had and who did you have those discussions with about the mission of benghazi going forward? 2011? >> well, as you may have heard, congresswoman, the e-mail that congresswoman sanchez introduced into the record was from the fall of 2011, and there was quite a discussion going on between officials in the state department in the intelligence community, in both washington and libya about the path forward. th

gadhafi was removed? >> we had a number of documents. we had a long list of areas that we were working on and the process for following up on those areas. i don't know if it was one or a dozen, but we had a lot of work that was ongoing both at the state department and at usaid. >> and did you ask for those documents to be prepared? do you know if you had a team working on that? or if it was just something happening of its own accord? >> we had a number of people who were working on that. as i said, i sent both of my deputies out to libya to meet with the libyans. you know, we can do all the planning we want in washington, but it's very important ask the libyans both what they want and what they expect from us. so we had an ongoing dialogue that lasted over many months. >> yes, ma'am, i agree with that. we'll get a chance the talk about that in a bit. i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. the chair will recognize the gentlelady from illinois. >> i apologize. my question will be a little bit boring because i'll get into details that actu

and in august after the gadhafi government fell, gadhafi left tripoli and he went into hiding in sert. in in september, we radio he open our embassy and chris stevens stayed in benghazi. does that sound like an accurate summary of the summer of 2011? >> it does sound accurate except i'm not sure exactly the duration of ambassador stevens' presence in benghazi during those months. >> well, that leads to my next question. what was your plan for the mission in the fall of 2011 and going forward? what were the discussions you had and who did you have those discussions with about the mission of benghazi going forward in 2011? >> well, as you may have heard, congresswoman, the e-mail that congresswoman sanchez introduced into the record was from the fall of 2011. and there was quite a discussion going on between officials in the state department, in the intelligence community, in both washington and libya about the path forward. the transitional national council had been based in benghazi. and there was a dispute even within the libyans themselves as to whether they would split the governme

>> congressman, look, we knew that libya's transition from the brutal dictatorship of gadhafi, which destroyed or undermined every institution in the country would be challenging, and we planned accordingly. we worked closely with the libyan people, with our allies in europe and our partners in the region to make sure that we tried to get the position to help the libyan people. and yes, the volatile security environment in libya complicated our efforts, and i absolutely -- i'll speak for myself -- i absolutely did not forget about libya after gadhafi fell. we worked closely with the interim government and offered a wide range of technical assistance, and we were very much involved in helping them provide their first parliamentary election. that was quite an accomplishment. a lot of other countries that were post-conflict did not have anything like the positive election that's libya did in july of 2012. the transitional government handed over power to a new general national congress in august. and we were doing everything that we could think of to help libya succeed. we tried to bolst

who have a major foot hold in gadhafi's hometown cert and borders are not secure and country washed witheapons and major route for migrants and refugees from all over africa who make their way to libya's coast. so many people have died at sea making the journey from libya towards europe. for months the european union has been proposing the idea of maritime operation to intercept the boats, now on friday a resolution to authorize that operation will come before the u.n. security council for a vote, james base, al jazeera, the united nations. >>> more on the news, we heard just a few minutes ago the top of the hour, in fact, the tunisia national dialog quartet have been selected to receive the 2015 nobel peace prize and we will go live to our correspondent in the tunisia capital tunis and an honor for the group to be picked from 273 nominees. >> i think it's a lot of surprise here in tunisia and a lot of people didn't know how international and how important this quartet had become known in the international community. let me tell you about the quartet, it was made up of four different uni

what do you do in libya after gadhafi's been deposed or in iraq or syria or wherever?ut her belief that the job of diplomats is not exclusively to sit behind a desk in an embassy. it's to go out in the countries that they represent. >> she invoked 19th century diplomats. >> few things about hillary clinton's foreign policy vision because of this hearing talked about willingness to put diplomats in dangerous situations, called it expedition diplomacy. she thinks success in libya was example of smart power and beneficial for the obama administration to lead from behind. i find that a very hard argument to make looking at the consequences of the situation on the ground in libya now where we had 21 christians beheaded on the beach earlier this year and isis has a stronger foothold. we need to have a discussion about that. >> she didn't say lead from behind. that's a phrase you used. >> and arb used in -- stay with us. we have to take a very quick break. amanda carpenter, paul begala, hillary expected back in the room any moment. stay with us. small job? no, doing the whole

, speaking here with gadhafi, is the only man convicted.n scotland for mass murder, released in 2009 to die at home after being diagnosed with cancer. he protested his innocence even in his final days. these latest developments may come to nothing, with both suspects already in jail. it's unclear whether they can even be charged or stand trial. if that does happen, wound which have taken some 27 years to heal will all of a sudden be reopened. cnn. >>> still ahead on the show, in california, cars half buried, hail the size of golf balls. the threat of weather is not over yet. >>> in southern california, residents and emergency officials are bracing for even more rain. flooding closing yet another highway northwest of los angeles on friday. at least 12 people were rescued after a large mudslide hit north of l.a. thursday. as sara sidner shows, it was a terrifying experience for some drivers. >> reporter: a neighborhood street turned into a raging river. a part of one of california's busiest freeways, interstate 5, turned into a muddy lake. in

and gadhafi -- gadhafi threatened them with genocide, with hunting them down like cockroaches.ere then approached by with great intensity our closest allies in europe. people who felt very strongly, the french and the british, but others as well, that they could not stand idly by and permit that to happen so close to their shores with the unintended consequences that they worried about. and they asked for the united states to help. we did not immediately say yes. we did an enormous amount of due diligence in meeting with not only our european and arab partners but also with those who were heading up what was called the transitional national council. and we had experienced diplomats who were digging deep into what was happening in libya and what the possibilities were before we agreed to provide very specific limited help to the european and arab efforts. we did not put one american soldier on the ground. we did not have one casualty. and in fact, i think by many measures, the cooperation between nato and arab forces was quite remarkable and something that we want to learn more

and february 2014, we had assistance in destroying the last of moammar gadhafi's weapons. we were combatting the spread of anti-aircraft shoulder-fired missiles because of the danger that they posed to commercial aircraft. and we were providing assistance, some of which i discussed earlier with congresswoman roby. we had humanitarian assistance. we brought people for help to europe. and to the united states. but much of awwhat we offered, despite our best efforts, we had the prime minister come to washington in 2012. much of what we offered was difficult for the libyans to understand how we accepted. i stayed in close contact, both of my deputies went there. we talked with the libyan leadership frequently by phone from washington and communicated regularly. i have said with our team based in tripoli and all of this focused on trying to help stand up a new interim government. and we were making progress on de-militarization, demobilization, trying to integrate the militia fighters on libya-based weapons. it was important to recognize. i was ultimately responsibility for sec

for a period of time, they would ally and overthrow gadhafi, but when gadhafi was o orthrown, ey wanted to take ovov the government, they w wted the united states out of the. i think it is highly likely that some of the groups and individuals that we trained, we equipped, ended up being the ones on september 11, 2012, who attacked our compound in benghazi and killed for -- four americans. sharyl: is that t failure on the part of the executives in the white house, president obama, or the secretary of state hillary clinton or combined? >> both hillary clinton and president obama bought into this strategy. the quote from hillary clinton is "we came, we saw, he died." she owns this strategy. sharyl: surely they did not intend for terrorism to be exported from libya and for the united states facilitate it? how could they have missed these things that are so obvious to you in retrospect? >> you need to go back to one of the quotes from then candidate obama in 2007. he is saying that once i'm elected president, the muslim world will see america differently because i understand the muslim c cmu

effort in libya and instrumental in tightening the noose around gadhafi and his regime.y, did it? you faced considerable option. i can pause while you read your notes from your staff. >> one thing at a time, congressman. thanks. >> that didn't come easy, did it? that leadership role and that public face that i just mentioned? >> i know this is an issue that the committee has raised. and it really boils down to why were we in libya. why did the united states join with our nato and european allies, join with our arab partners, to protect the people of libya against the murderous planning of gadhafi. why did we take a role alongside our partners in doing so? there were a number of reasons for that. and i think it is important to remind the american people where we were at the time when the people of libya, like people across the region, rose up, demanding freedom and democracy, a chance to chart their own futures and gadhafi -- >> i take your -- >> and gadhafi threatened them with genocide, hunting them down like cockroaches. we were approached with great intensity our clos

, and say saassaf saddam and gadhafi were still there, do you think the middle east would be safer?> it's not even a contest, chuck. iraq is a disaster. don't forget, isis came out of iraq. >> i understand. >> the leftovers that didn't get taken care of. >> saddam and gadhafi, do you think things would be more stable? >> of course it would be. >> with us, joining us from los angeles, cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein, editorial director at "the national journal." and cnn global affairs analyst, kimberly dosier. you're experts in this. we've heard this argument coming from foreign policy experts who do say if you had the strong men in power, the middle east would not be the mess it's in today because of the power vacuum created by u.s. policy. start with you, ron. is it true? >> well, i think you're dealing with, you know, a series of bad alternatives and i think donald trump as you say is not the first person to say this. i think he's saying it from a very different angle than we usually hear this line of argument. it fits in what i would call his defensive nationalism. lo

when muammar gadhafi came to ferk. he could have stayed anywhere but only place he felt truly at home was in drusm's yard. now just, by the way, our lawyers told us we have to mention that trump told gadhafi to take the tent now spp you see, you to be careful what you say about drusm in public. not unlike an african president. i understand that trump is a little scary. and a little exotic for some. a little out of america's comfort zone. but this great country is capable of bold leaps. it took one in 2008 when it elected its first black president and now in 2016 i say it is time to be bold once more and elect america's first african president. and when that happens, when a true african finally enters the oval office the people of africa will erupt into songing of praise. mexican rapists. ( laughter ) ( applause ) we don't have a word for mexican rapists. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. ( cheers and a so i need to collect your phones so you can't post pictures. [screams] okay, how does it feel to not be connec

four years after the full of moammar gadhafi, victoria gatenby reports. >>> violence has deeply split people in libya. the country has been.wrapped in violence since the 2011 overflow of moammar gadhafi. >>> armed groups engaged in daily fighting. the chaos has been made worse by groups claiming allegiance to i.s.i.l. now there's hope that a unity government proposed by the u.n. after months of talks in morocco may bring the fighting to an end. >> i hope that the unity government succeeds greatly because it has been too long and people are suffering, especially displaced people, we bill support this news government to start its work quickly. >> others though are skeptical, they are worried this will lead to groups like the muslim brotherhood having too much power. >> this is considered a conspiracy and libyans know that. it is unacceptable and we will have nothing to do with it and we will not support it. >> rival parliaments now need to approve the proposed deal and there are still many points of disagreement. >> we have the government location, where this government will be located.

isis came out of iraq. >> saddam and gadhafi, you think things would be more stable?it would be. >> so we want to talk about that. with us, ron bronstein and kimberly dozier. so both of you experts in this field. ron, we have heard this before from people who look at our policies and say that iraq, saddam hussein, moammar gadhafi, that it would have been more stable if we had not gotten involved. does trump have a point? >> it's coming from an angle with what we hear on including immigration and trade. trump is basically say the world is seen as a dangerous corrupt confusing place where they are always trying to take advantage of us and our interactions with the world on really any front, a wall on immigration, tariffs on trade, suspicion of intervention in foreign conflicts, all of that is dangeroudangerous. >> we'll have to bring you the governor of south carolina nikki haley who has just begun her press conference on the catastrophic flooding occurring in her state. let's listen in. >> thank you very much. thank you for being here. we have a full team here ready to

effort in libya and instrumental in tightening the noose around gadhafi and his regime.t didn't come easy, because you faced considerable opposition. i can pause while you are reading your notes from your staff. >> one thing at a time, congressman. thanks. >> that didn't come easy, did it, that leadership role and that public face and so forth that i just mentioned? >> this is an issue that the committee has raised. it really boils down to why were we in libya? why did the united states join with our nato and european allies, join with our arab partners to protect the people of libya against the murderous planning of gadhafi? why did we take a role alongside our partners in doing so? there were a number of reasons for doing that. i think it is important to remind the american people where we were at the time when the people of libya, like people across the region, rose up demanding freedom and democracy, a chance to chart their own futures and gadhafi threatened them with genocide, with hunting them down like cockroaches. we were then approached by, with great intensity,

and, in fact, that is when gadhafi fell. he fell in 2011. then when we go to 2012, libya, benghazi, chris stevens, the staff there, they seem to fall off your radar in 2012, and the situation's getting much worse in 2012. it was getting much worse. let me just share for you, in your records that we have reviewed, there is not one e-mail to you or from you in 2012 when an explosive device went off at our compound in april. there's not a single e-mail in your records about that explosives device. so, my question is, this was a very important mission in 2011. you sent chris stevens there, but yet when our compound is attacked in 2012, what kind of culture was created in the state department that your folks couldn't tell you in an e-mail about a bomb in april of 2012? >> well, congresswoman, i did not conduct most of the business that i did on behalf of our country on e-mail. i conducted it in meetings. i read mass amounts of memos, a great deal of classified information, i made a lot of secured phone calls. i was in and out of the white house a

>> there were threats from people associated with gadhafi after the publication of cables he had written that were made public by wikileaks. >> you say you where aware of the two attacks at the mission facility in benghazi. >> uh-huh. >> mr. morrell in his book states there was 20 attacks on that facility. are you familiar with the other 18? >> there were two that we thought rose to the level of being serious. and i -- >> were you familiar with the other 18 -- >> i'm not aware of 18 others. i would point out -- i'm sure former deputy director morrell made this point when he was testifying. the cia stayed in libya. the cia had a much bigger presence than the state department. despite the overall decline in stability. some might argue actually because of the overall decline in stability, it was thought to be even more important for the cia to stay there, and they also did not believe that their facility would be the subject of a deadly attack either. because i think sometimes -- >> ma'am, we -- >> -- sometimes the discussion gets pulled together, when really we had chris and sean dying at

gadhafi had centrifuges, uranium feedstock and get it weapons design.when we took them saddam hussein, i think it was five days after we dug it out of his hole, moammar gadhafi got religion and announced he's going to turn over all his nuclear materials to the united states. and he did. very wise man. that did a couple of things. one, think of what would've happened in libya in subsequent years if he had not turned over those nuclear materials to the united states when he was finally overthrown, and isis moved in, killed gadhafi, the radicals did. they would have inherited that libyan nuclear program. second thing it did when we went in and brand, took that back from the libyans, that uncovered a.q. khan. mr. kohn was a pakistani engineer who had a major hand in building nuclear inventory, nuclear weapons for pakistan. think it got into business for himself instead of a plot market operation but libya was his biggest customer but it also been involved with the north koreans, the iranians. iit turns out if you go back to 1987 in a meeting in a hotel in d

she's the one who wanted gadhafi deposed. hillary, that's why you refuse to let the generals in the pentagon take gadhafi's son's calls, seeking peace in libya before we bombed them. you're the one who rejected the peace talks for libya. why, hillary? what was so important to you about libya? why was it so important that you be able to say that all was normalized, when in reality al qaeda and training camps surrounded our consulate? was it the business interests in libya that you were communicating with sidney bloomenthal about? and why were we even there when everyone else left? and why did you whisper to the parents of the dead in libya that you would get the man who made the video, but were shrewd enough to send someone else out there to carry your water? and did you tell the accountability review board investigators that you would appoint them if they agreed not to question you? you, the secretary of state, the person in charge of the consulate. and why did cheryl mills, also, by the way, on that private server, tell greg

still needs to be approved by the rival parliaments and the country went to violence before moammar gadhafi2011 and two governments is the general national congress the gnc which operates out of tripoli and it came to power when an alliance of former rebels known as libya dawn took over and operates out of the eastern city of tabrook and recognized by the u.n. and arab league and its allies to the renegade general who commands a loose alliance of armed factions and diplomatic james base reports from the u.n. in new york. >> reporter: there was smiles when after talks that had lasted over a year the u.n. mediator announced his plans for a unity government in libya, leon said it had been a difficult process. >> this was not an easy task. we have been listening to many people inside and outside the dialog, finally it will be six personalities. >> reporter: at its head prime minister sarage an architect from a prominent family in tripoli, the challenges facing a new unity government remens and it's almost four years since the death of the former ruling moammar gadhafi and has been racked with t

gadhafi denies his government had any role in the bombing.rahi seen here speaking with gadhafi is the only person convicted. the man many libyans regarded as a hero. he was jailed in scotland for mass murder, released in 2009 to die at home after being diagnosed with cancer. he protested his innocence even in his final days. these latest developments may come to nothing with both suspects already in jail. it's unclear whether they can even be charged or stand trial. and if that does happen, wounds which have taken some 27 years to heal will all of a sudden be reopened. cnn. >>> heavy winds and rain are heading for the philippines. yet another typhoon they will have to endure. we'll have more about it coming up here. >>> plus, in california, hail the size of golf balls, walls of mud crumbling on drivers, and the weather is not taking a break. ♪ ♪ (singing) you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. right now, at&t is giving you 50 percent m

she's the one who wanted gadhafi deposed. hillary, that's why you refuse to let the generals in the pentagon take gadhafi's son's calls, seeking peace in libya before we bombed them. you're the one who rejected the peace talks for libya. why, hillary? what was so important to you about libya? why was it so important that you be able to say that all was normalized, when in reality al qaeda and training camps surrounded our consulate? was it the business interests in libya that you were communicating with sidney bloomenthal about? and why were we even there when everyone else left? and why did you whisper to the parents of the dead in libya that you would get the man who made the video, but were shrewd enough to send someone else out there to carry your water? and did you tell the accountability review board investigators that you would appoint them if they agreed not to question you? you, the secretary of state, the person in charge of the consulate. and why did cheryl mills, also, by the way, on that private server, tell greg

gadhafi was cooperating totally with us. he was telling us where the bad guys were. what happens, isis occupies a part of it. they lost thousand of manpads all over the world which is threatening our aircraft industry. we have done some terrible things in the last decade 1/2. and, taking down iraq and taking down libya have not helped. deirdre: okay. colonel, thank you so much. retired lieutenant colonel bob mcginnis, grateful for your perspective. >>> this mix of global macro concerns and markets oil fell to two-month loy. a chinas company is spending $1.2 billion to buy giant oil fields in texas. we have craig from swisamerica trading. craig, before we talk about china's purchase, what do you make of oil's level? goldman, one of the most bearish voices on the street, saying that oil could go down to around $20 a barrel? >> goldman is dreaming and t. boone pickens would agree with that. i think 20-dollar oil is ridiculous. although in 1999, deirdre, we did have $10 a barrel oil. went up to 150 in 2005. 147. now it is back down in the 45 area. i think this recent acq

about gadhafi, he was subjected to threats and we took him out and did not close the embassy at thato he had returned to finish out his time, and we were in the process of moving him to another assignment and nominating chris stevens to replies him. >> but you didn't -- you didn't talk to christy ven -- >> while i was in libya i don't recall that. we consult it with him as for the trip. we were trying very hard to get the people in positions of authority at that time in libya, and let us work with them on everything from border security to collecting weapons and trying to disarm the militias. he had a lot of business we were doing with them. >> so going back to miss sanchez's e-mail it talks about option a, slimming down the compound, and so he weighed in on -- in october he was weighing in on whether or not the compound should stay open but i'd like to direct your attention to an e-mail that is at tab 4, dated december 15th december 15th from chris stevens, and i might add for the record, we do not, still to this day, have all of chris stevens' e-mails. we received 1300 more this we

. >> there were threats from people associated with gadhafi after the publication of cables he had written that were made public by wikileaks. >> you say you were aware of the two attacks at the mission facility in benghazi. mr. morell in his book states that there was 20 attacks on that facility. are you familiar with the other 18? >> there were two that we thought rose to the level of being serious. and -- >> were you familiar with the other 18? >> i'm not aware of 18 others. and i would point out, and i'm sure that former deputy director morell made this point when he was testifying, the cia stayed in libya. the cia had a much bigger presence than the state department, despite the overall decline in stability. some might argue actually because of the overall decline in stability, it was thought to be even more important for the cia to stay there and they also did not believe that their facility would be the subject of a deadly attack, either, because i think sometimes, you know, sometimes the discussion gets pulled together when really, we had chris and sean dying at the state departmen

and, in fact, that is when gadhafi fell. he fell in 2011. but then when we go to 2012, libya, benghazi, chris stevens, the staff there, they seemed to fall off your radar in 2012, and the situation is getting much worse in 2012. it was getting much worse. and let me just share for you in your records that we have reviewed, there is not one e-mail to you or from you in 2012 when an explosive device went off at our compound in april. there's not a single e-mail in your records about that explosive device. so my question is, this was a very important mission in 2011. you sent chris stevens there, but yet when our compound is attacked in 2012, what kind of culture was created in the state department that your folks couldn't tell you in an e-mail about a bomb in april of 2012? >> well, congresswoman, i did not conduct most of the business that i did on behalf of our country on e-mail. i conducted it in meetings. i read massive amounts of memos, a great deal of classified information. i made a lot of secure phone calls. i was in and out of the whi

hillary exerted pressure on obama to take out gadhafi. gadhafi was a neutered despot.given up his weapons of mass destruction, he was a prophet for his own people. his own people are going through much worst problems now than they did under the gadhafi and she was the one who was the architect of that. they didn't send in extra security because to send in extra security would have been an admission that they had created chaos, they let hell break loose in libya, obama and hillary. with hillary's advice, i think that's why she did nothing about those 600 requests. >> she responded to sid blumenthal's e-mails. it raises the question 600? that's crazy. then you're right to break this down in components before you just dealt with it. during i interviewed people that were told to stand down. they told me they were at the annex but -- >> i was on sunday morning television with susan rice when she -- that sunday. i was sitting in the room getting ready to go heard her say this is because of the mohammed video. >> i said in a rather loud voice, bull -- >> you are known to be o

we had to evacuate the embassy before while gadhafi was still in power. i talked to those people in our embassy family as they were on the ferry going from tripoli back to malta. so we tried to engage with, listen to and support our teams when they were facing these very difficult circumstances. >> now this committee has interviewed your staff that was with you that evening of the attacks. your chief of staff, cheryl mills, and your deputy chief of staff, jake sullivan. and they explained that you personally participated in a secure video teleconference with senior officials from the intelligence community, the white house and the department of defense. your chief of staff, cheryl mills, told the committee that your attendance at the deputy level's meeting broke with protocol and surprised other attendees but that you simply said, "these are our people on the ground, where else would i be?" why did did you think that it was important for you to participate personally in that deputy's committee meeting? >> the people who were on that group were part of the

gadhafi had centrifuges and uranium feedstock and a weapon.when we took down saddam hussein think it was five days after we dug him out of his hole. he announced he was going to turn over all them nuclear materials to the united states and he did. a very wise man. that did a couple of things. one was think of what would have happened in subsequent years if he had not turned over those nuclear materials to the united states. he was finally overthrown and isis moved in and kill gadhafi. they would have inherited the libyan nuclear program. the second thing when we went in and took that back from the libyans mr. kong was the pakistani engineer that had a major hand in building nuclear inventory nuclear weapons for pakistan. then he had gone into business for himself in the black market operation. libya was his biggest customer but he had also been involved with the iranians. it turns out if you go back to 1987 in a meeting in a hotel in dubai it was common and con's people who got $3 million in return for providing the basic design of centrifuges

gadhafi was removed? >> we had a number of documents.e had a long list of areas that we were working on and the process for following up on those areas. i don't know if it was one document or a dozen documents but we had a lot of work that was ongoing both at the state department and at usaid. >> and did you ask for those documents to be prepared and do you know if you had a team working on that or was it something happening on its own accord? >> we had a number of people working on that. i said i sent both of my deputies out to libya to meet with the libyans. you know we can do all the planning we want in washington but it's very important to ask if libyans what they want and expect from us and so we had an ongoing dialog that lasted over many months. >> yes, ma'am i agree with that. we will get a chance to talk about that in a bit. i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. >> let's do this and take a quick break and come back and we will talk about it. this is al jazeera america. congresswoman tammy is questioning former secretary clinto

unity government remens, it's now almost four years since the death of libya's former ruler moammar gadhafi country has been racked by turmoil ever since and they reluctantly agrees to the deal and so much blood shed and political bad blood there are many who oppose it. there are fighters and militia who are unlikely to obey the new government, particularly attention will be on this man, renegade general. they will take on i.s.i.l. who have a major foot hold in gadhafi's hometown cert and the country is not secure and washed with weapons and major route from migrants and refugees who make the way to libya's coast. so many people have died at sea making the journey from libya to europe and for months the eu has been proposing the idea of a maritime operation to intercept the votes and now on friday a resolution to authorize that operation will come before the u.n. security council for a vote. james base, al jazeera, the united nations. >>> australian government has begun assessing applications by syrians and agree to resettle 12000 people escaping fighting in syria and priority given to wome

was responsible for the libya policy, for basically the decision to join the coalition to remove gadhafi from power. the first time he did that, it's like okay, what does that have to do with benghazi? that is a direct political criticism of secretary clinton, and that's debatable. but that's got nothing to do with benghazi. the second time that representative roscoe did it was even more insulting. he went after her, trying to claim she was trying to take political credit for the policies, citing random e-mails and stuff. again, nothing whatsoever to do with benghazi. >> wouldn't the congressman say that of course it was the decision to enter into the coalition with nato to launch air strikes and ultimately depose gadhafi that brought about the situation that would lead to ultimately the attack on that embassy? >> yeah, but that's not the point. i guess you could go back and say, you know, let's never get involved in foreign policy decisions and that's the way to prevent attacks, but that's not benghazi. that's not the attack. that's not what could we have done to protect the embassy. so

you know, you tolerate or support gadhafi and you end up with isis.w, supporting dictators is a proven failed strategy. iran, the revolution in 1979 after years of supporting the shaw of iran. we have to figure out how in a very dangerous world we make our way in a manner that does not add fuel to the enemies of the united states. and it's a perfectly legitimate debate. i'm sort of glad donald trump brought this up. >> me too, because i'm sure it will come up in the debate, right, michael? and hopefully some of those candidates will tell us how to go forward in some of these countries to really make a positive impact. >> i'd be interested to see if any other republican ares challenge trump on this idea. he can say life would be so much better, the situation would be so much better if these dictators were in charge, but he's got to sort of wrestle with the question, take saddam hussein. saddam hussein were still in charge and we had this iran deal that's just been negotiated, don't you think saddam hussein, the dictator and somebody who tries to be a p

>> -- and gadhafi in power? >> 100%!s far as assad is concerned -- >> what about the human rights abuses? >> you don't think thaerz happening now? they're worst now. people are getting their heads chopped off, they're being drowned. they're far worse than they were ever under saddam hussein or gadhafi. >> you could make the case that iraq under saddam hussein was being contained at the time, u.s. no-fly zones. he wasn't really a threat. iran has now come in, as trump likes to say, and has a dominant role in iraq. right now in libya, with gadhafi, he gave up his effort to develop a nuclear capability. as bad as he was, what's going on in libya right now is so much worse, the terrorism that's unfolding. what do you say when you hear trump make those points? >> you know, as you say, look, there's a powerful argument there to be made. i think this is a kind of position worth hearing out. there's a kind of old-fashioned, real politics school in the united states that perhaps would have always advocated this. the trouble is, a

was responsible for the libya policy, for basically the decision to join the coalition to remove gadhafi from power. the first time he did that, it's like okay, what does that have to do with benghazi? that is a direct political criticism of secretary clinton, and that's debatable. but that's got nothing to do with benghazi. the second time that representative roscoe did it was even more insulting. he went after her, trying to claim she was trying to take political credit for the policies, citing random e-mails and stuff. again, nothing whatsoever to do with benghazi. >> wouldn't the congressman say that of course it was the decision to enter into the coalition with nato to launch air strikes and ultimately depose gadhafi that brought about the situation that would lead to ultimately the attack on that embassy? >> yeah, but that's not the point. i guess you could go back and say, you know, let's never get involved in foreign policy decisions and that's the way to prevent attacks, but that's not benghazi. that's not the attack. that's not what could we have done to protect the embassy. so