five years ago this week, a revolution began in libya that eventually brought down moammar gadhafi. but since then, the trouble in libya has skyrocketed with two rival governments fighting for control of the country and its oil. is rising up among the chaos the ever-growing presence of the islamic state group print mark thompson reports. revolution that was meant to offer libya a fresh start. half a decade after colonel moammar gadhafi was deposed and killed, divisions in the country are as prevalent as ever. >> we have been disappointed for five years. we face hunger. people are not getting paid. the country is destroyed. >> none of the revolution's goals have been realized. it has allstate the same. -- it has all stayed the same. has: the militant coalition set up its own cabinet in the capital, tripoli. the conflict has left thousands dead, half a million people homeless, and the economy in ruins. it has also allowed in the islamic state group. the ms. lieutenant -- the militant islamists have taken control and are attacking the country's oil ports. leaving some western leaders t

to come in, intervene on our behalf, overthrow gadhafi and we'll have our own country.rtunately, president obama's advisors including hillary clinton fell for that propaganda and the president fell for that propaganda. it's like the who's on. we should not get fooled again. >> rose: but there is a great sense, people are arguing in washington that they've got to do something now. you cannot allow i.s.i.s. to grow because to have the oil revenues that are possible there and all of that, that you've got to do something. that's the argument of the moment, is it not? >> yeah, and i think the real mistake in 2011 wasn't necessarily the military operation, it was the absence of a political follow-up. >> rose: right. and today we run the risk of making the same mistake. >> rose: and the whole notion is gadhafi -- >> the notion is what kind of government can you build in libya. and the focus on the hardwear, the focus on the bombs i think makes people forget about what can be done on the politics, and on the politics, much more can be done. i would say libya was never a real co

people in benghazi began the revolution against gadhafi. they helped to end what many saw as his tyrannical rule. but since, crime has soared. general lawlessness have prevailed. freedoms have been curtailed. the u.n. recognized government, which controls much of libya, says it is trying to change this. >> translator: there hasn't been a clear state but now security has begun to return bit by bit. >> reporter: there needs to be a new government. u.s. president barack obama admits getting there isn't going to be easy. >> the tragedy of libya over the last several years is libya has

let me ask you this, would libya be in better shape today if gadhafi were still in power?> let me say this, secretary clinton and i have very strong differences of opinion on foreign policy. i help lead the opposition to this disastrous war in iraq, she supported it. to answer your question, no one can speculate. nobody knows. but i think in terms of regime change, whether it is gadhafi, whether it is assad in syria these are terrible dictators, but you've got to be thinking about what happens the day after the kind of political vacuum that occurs in libya of course as a result of the overthrow of gadhafi, isis now has a strong foothold. i would have done it differently if i were president of the united states. secretary clinton believes -- no, i would have worked more patiently. i know it's a difficult situation, but you can't just go forward with regime change. you got to be thinking about the day after. and i think the same thing is true in syria. secretary clinton disagrees with president obama and myself regarding a no-fly zone. i fear that can get us entangled more i

>> a couple of points on the libya question, and we did not topple gadhafi, but libya people did. and the only decision is do you do it quickly or take a long time, and i said if it takes a long time, then you will have rebel forces to take advantage of the vacuum, and that is the place where term lead from behind came, from and that is the policy that senator cruz agrees with. and yeah, everyday that john kerry was not appointed it is another day that h hillary clinton was in charge of the state department, and i didn't think they would find a person worse than her, but this president never ceases to amaze. and this is important of south korea, and donald trump is asking to be commander in chief, and they need to do more. and south korea contributes $8le 00 million to that effort, and japan as well, and that is why our commitment to that region is so critical, donald. if we walk away from them, japan and south korea is going to be nuclear weapons powers, and they can do it quickly, and that is what they will do if the american agreements withers away which is why we have to rebui

you take gadhafi. look what happened after we got rid of gadhafi. >> gadhafi was a mistake. >> it was just -- yeah. to me, it was a total mistake. benghazi was the least. look at what is going on over there. it's a mess. nobody knows anything about anything. you look at -- you look at sdhuven saddam hussein. we get rid of him -- saddam hussein were mistakes? >> had our politicians gone to the beach and enjoyed the sun, we would be in a better position than we are right now. saddam hussein, no good guy. but saddam hussein killed terrorists. now iraq is the harbor of terror. you want to be a terrorist, go to iraq, they will teach you how. saddam hussein was a bad guy. one other thing he did, he blocked iran. once you knocked out that section, i said it in 2003 or 2004 i was against the war. the middle east is going to be a mess. they used to fight forever. they couldn't move. they go ten feet one way and ten feet the other. now you have a total destabilization in the middle east because we knocked out on

people in benghazi began the revolution against gadhafi. to end what many saw as his tyrannical rule. but since, crime has soared. general lawlessness have prevailed. freedoms have been curtailed. the u.n. recognized government, which controls much of libya, says it is trying to change this. >> translator: there hasn't been a clear state but now security has begun to return bit by bit. >> reporter: there needs to be a new government. u.s. president barack obama admits getting there isn't going to be easy. >> the tragedy of libya over the last several years is libya has a relatively small population, and a lot of oil wealth, and could be really successful. they are divided by tribal lines and ethnic lines, power plays. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: and there are many players, members of two rival governments, their armies, local militias, and isil all want control. one former fighter says the chaos was inevitable. >> libya is not really a unique situation. like if france went through this, all of the countries that were trying really to move from

and now we're bemoaning the fact that stability was a victim as well as the gadhafi regime. so that was then, this is now. welcome, ambassador mcgurk. let me start with russia, one of favorite topics of my friend from california. how concerned are we that russia's air strikes in syria are non-isil focused and that in fact they have targeted either deliberately or just coincidentally non-isil insurgent groups that we were hoping to use as part of the coalition against assad? >> it's a huge problem. and -- >> could you say that louder, i couldn't hear you. >> it's a huge problem. they say they want to fight isil in nusra, but they're hitting groups as i mentioned we're ready to fight isil. so, you know, this is where -- we just have to be honest. they're hitting 70% of their air strikes are against the opposition. many of the opposition groups are ready to fight isil. >> so we now have a situation where the russian activity in syria is directly in conflict with western goals? is that correct, would that be fair? >> you can't put it in total black and white terms but they're hi

and effect that's why we have to help a non-gadhafi forces. now we have testimony of course the isil is on the verge of taking over libya. let me note i didn't see assad ever a threat has been what assad ever a threat to the united states? >> assad has given sustenance to terrorist groups a number of years. >> assad was never a threat to the united states. frankly, we republicans made a mistake when we backed our president when he said we have to get rid of saddam hussein. and, frankly, it looks like to me all of this chaos and confusion you are describing today that unfortunately is in your lap to try to correct started when we made a mistake we have to get rid of saddam hussein because he's a bad guy and he's committing atrocities against his own people. and that has destabilized the whole region and lead to many thousands more people being killed. i would think, frankly from a distance it looks like assad is in that same type of the, fighting assad is the same type of situation. let me ask how many of the isil fighters are foreigners? meani

i think there was not enough clarity that the state that gadhafi left behind was no state.as very little left that could keep this country together so i do think that if we move past this stage of the parliament in tobruk endorsing this government or not and getting it into tripoli attention needs to be paid to what next, what after fighting islamic state. >> thank you very much. al jazeera has uncovered an illegal trade-in humor grands in indonesia and villages in west java sold kidneys for $5,000 and we report where three members of an sindicate arrested and people questioned by the police. >> reporter: this is a poor village in west java and at least 30 people live here and a nearby community have just one kidney and police say they sold their other kidneys to middleman for $5,000 each. >> translator: i was this a bad situation and have huge debt and didn't have a house. i couldn't pay my rent for four months already. >> reporter: organ trade is illegal in indonesia but people can donate to friends and relatives and to sell his kidney 39-year-old had to say he new the re