you can't say gadhafi have come over to isis. some refugees told me they had this thing, better the hell of the islamic state. we would rather tacitly support this it draconian group than be subjugated by this town nearby that treated us so poorly after the revolution. moving south to tripoli and capitalizing on the exclusion and marginalization. in srebreica there's smuggling networks, families that have had a long time in smuggling. what's their strategy right now? i would argue it's one of consolidation. to consolidate their hold and to disrupt the formation of a new state. we saw this in attacks on police training. to peel away the leader, what are the tribe, the disgruntled youth we can peel away? now the key challenges, i guess i have one minute. the question of partnership. who does the west ally with? there's no central chain of command, military chain of command. and the great risk the u.s. and others face is identifying local partners. the risk of working with militias against the islamic state could further fracture th

we think we can blow up gadhafi and thomas jefferson will be elected. it's naive. it needs to go back to not that we have to be better prepared but the selective engagement should be this is a time we shouldn't select to militarily engage. i would like your comments with assad also. it is the same situation. the only other thing i would mix in is ultimately the solution in syria is not saying well, russia can be no part of it. probably engaging russia on a solution to syria. >> they have to be part of it and so does iran. the idea that we could come to accommodation or agreement without having those players is ridiculous. tom, you would probably agree with that. they have to be at the table. that's what secretary kerry is trying to bring about. an agreement or negotiation that would tend to improve the situation. you're quite right in your comment about selective engagement. that's why i like the paradigm. you look at each one of these discrete, specific foreign policy problems through the prism of the national interests and our principles and values and say to you

to eliminate gadhafi?hat was a severely dumb decision. >> he said very bluntly to me about the libya intervention, quote, it didn't work. >> wasn't he warned by people like secretary gates about libya's tribal history and dangers of taking out gadhafi? >> there was a huge fight in the administration. turns out the gates side was right but i think obama now is on the side of, you know what? i should not have let myself be pressured into this intervention and that influenced the way he dealt with syria the next couple of years. >> syria, you will recall, where president obama drew a red line and then it was crossed. the president and his advisers agreed on an attack plan but he pulled back at the last moment. >> i use the term stunned because i was stunned by that. >> chuck hagel served as president obama's secretary of defense from 2013 to 2015. >> it reversed a very comprehensive, complete decision that had just been made a few hours prior to that and the president had made the final decision and a few hou

so we knock out libya and you knock out gadhafi and she thinks we did a great job. isis has the oil.

gadhafi would have been able to stay in power.hat we're seeing now is the lack of studenopportunities wit these countries for individuals to participate in a modern day economy, to participate in government. there's a lot of work that these governments have to do. united states is helping, and we're trying to help, but a lot is going to fall on these governments themselves, the people as well as just the region as a whole. >> let me ask you about saudi arabia. this was part of your portfolio many times in sarious times you have been in government. you were just there with the president as director of the cia, not just before, you were there a lot as chief adviser to the president for homeland security. what is the state of our relationship? how fractured is it? >> we have a very strong relationship with saudi arabia, and it's on the economic front, the political front, military security and intelligence. across the board. i have very close relations with my saudi counterparts. >> you do, does the president anymore? >> the presiden

so, we took gadhafi down. it was wonderful. he was a brutal terrorist. it was wonderful. but you don't do that without thinking about what comes next. we have the same situation in egypt when we bailed out on hosni mubarak who had been a wonderful ally for this country for a long time, and by the way, very good on the arab-israeli problem and so we ended up with the muslim brotherhood and that became a real problem and now we've got a military dictatorship back in egypt but at least we have some stability. we have the same situation to some extent in iraq. it was good to get rid of saddam hussein, but we should have perhaps done a better job of thinking about what we were going to put in place after he left. these areas that are failed states are failed states primarily because we went in there -- or at least in part -- and upset the order because we didn't like the people that were running the show. and shouldn't have liked them. but we need to do a better job of thinking about what comes next before. so, right now my -- my view and i don't know whether tom shares this o

good to be here. >> arms to the libyans following our not war in libya which sever you're threw gadhafims to the libyan soldiers. is that the right thing? >> let's say we shouldn't have been in this position, and one thing to debate whether we should have taken out gadhafi or not, but the fact that we did left us with a responsibility to try to build a security sector in libya. instead we just pulled back completely and left the country in the hands of militias and that was a fertile ground for eye is to take root. now we have a much, much bigger problem. sure, give arms to the libyan government to fight isis. somebody has to fight them. but we need to have a lot of positive controls on this, and in fact we ought to be thinking bigger and trying to build a security sector so there's a monopoly of force. otherwise if we hand these weapons over, without some oversight, we won't know where the weapons end up. >> just as happened in iraq and other places. >> exactly. >> you said build a security sector. in your mind how might such a thing happen? >> we're already involved in negotiations to

the edward snowden revelations about what a huge impact that decision of gadhafi had on taking gadhafi out. and so, yeah, the u.s. dollar needs to be -- the whole federal reserve system is terrible. it is an enslavement tool, and be we need to change it. and i think, you know, this is your passion. so here's a great chance for you to go into it. [laughter] i love that. i think, yeah, let's make it happen x. it's going to take a lot of work to make it happen, but let's make it happen. and realize that you're up against a tough system here which makes it even more fun. [laughter] the the bigger the challenge the better, you know? the bigger they are, the harder they fall. [laughter] so go for it, please. absolutely. i'm totally behind you on that. thank you. >> yeah, hi, john. so one interesting thing about corporations is they're treated like people. and there's a lot to the movement, you know, let's not treat them like people, but i read some interesting economic analysis that was actually saying, well, that'll just make things worse. but one thing that i've thought about a lot is that

. >> let me -- >> if we had left gadhafi you wouldn't have that.very move we made in the middle east was wrong. they want me to get great foreign advise rs and geniuses. they have been involved for 15 years. i don't want the people that have been involved for 15 years. those are the people that have vul what they have done to this country and our country. on top of it we owe $19 trillion in debt. >> let me pick up on this. you said we need to stop spending money overseas and spend it at home. that sounds like a liberal democrat. the question i have is you talk about the mess -- your words -- that bush and obama and clinton have made in the middle east. interventions in iraq and libya. it almost sounds like you would be, as a general election candidate you would be criticizing hillary clinton from the left that we should be less intervening in the rest of the world. >> i want to rebuild our country. i want to rebuild our military, make it bigger, better, stronger than ever before. i want to take care of our vets. we have to handle education, get rid

gadhafi had trained many and now we are in a period where these people are technocrats. their hands are not loaded with blood, and they should come back and they're already there and building on that. we should build on it. we should build their capacity further and with lifting the arms embargo we have to be very careful here. we need to assess what we have already. we need to make sure that it's in the right hands, it's falling in the right hands. we need to solve the problem of the militias, and i spoke about that earlier that the government has to be supported to resist the pressures and their desire to continue. i mean, we don't want to go back in a circle of militias. i wish this would be in one of our u.n. security resolutions at that it's the duty of the government of national accord and international community to support us on that. they should be given incentives. and only at that point we can see a proper army being formed and assessing what we have and what is needed and the national accord will be prepared once there is a reconciliation between the armed gro

overthrow libya's leader gadhafi during so-called arab spring.ted the worst mistake of his presidency was not preparing for what would follow in the region after gadhafi is gone, joining us, john bolton, ambassador great to you have with us, was that his biggest mistake? >> there are a lot of competing mistakes for that. but this is one, he got into a situation in libya, he did not think through the outcome, thin he walked away. lou: architect of that motivation was the secretary of state, hillary clinton, was it not. >> i'm not sure she was that different from where obama was. lou: different? but it was you know claim has been made, her decision. >> she walked afri fro as a away from it too. obama said he did not have a plan, this was his big criticism of george w. bush in iraq. but who else would write the plan if not secretary of state, hillary clinton, shy was gone as well, i think they are doing now is a reputation of that, providing -- repeating that same mistake, providing weapons is a tactical response to a more difficult problem. lou: i

so we knock out libya and you knock out gadhafi and she thinks we did a great job. isis has the oil. >> would you have stayed out of libya? >> i would have stayed out of libya. and iraq too. >> will you stay out of syria? >> i would have stayed out of syria and wouldn't have fought for assad because i thought that was a whole thing. you have iran, which we made into a power. iran now is a power. because of us, because of some of the dumbest deals i have ever seen. so now you have iran and russia in favor of assad. we're supposed to fight the two of them. at the same time, we're supposed to fight isis, who is fighting assad. >> so there are a lot of people who say you have inconsistent foreign policy, but it sounds consistent. you wouldn't have gone into libya. you wouldn't have gone into iraq. you wouldn't go into syria. you wouldn't have fought assad. >> but i would go after isis. >> but you'd go after isis. >> joe, isis is fighting syria. so you have some people that want to fight syria and isis at the same time. they are fighting each other. >> so what you're say

gadhafi, in libya, is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is. and we're sitting around. we have soldiers all over the middle east, and we're not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage. we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. we could do it surgically. stop him from doing it. and save these lives. >> all right. then there's his position on the invasion in iraq. here is trump at the cnn debate in simi valley last year. dais, the only person who fought very hard against us, and and i wasn't a sitting politician, going into iraq. >> and now listen to him back in 2002, speaking with howard stern. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. you know, i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> all right. let's talk about this with cnn political commentator, doug high. he is also a republican strategist and former communications director for the republican national committee. all right, doug, good to see you. >> good to see you, thank you. >> all right. so you just heard the

admitted itt has was a mistake to topple gadhafi in libya. he said it was a mistake not to be prepared to create a country out of nothing. so i think there are a couple of possibilities. one is you should not do it to begin with. we have masses -- massive resources. how do we create democracy in the middle east? think people don't realize in our country, one of the amazing things of the american revolution as we had represented government before that. of that,d continuity and we think we can blow up gaddafi and out of that thomas jefferson would get elected. doesn't go back to we need to be better prepared, a lot of times the selected engagement should be this is a 10 week shouldn't have selectively engaged. it is the same sort of situation. the only other thing i would mix into that. i think altman lay the solution in syria is not saying russia can be part of it. has a base there, probably engaging russia in a solution to syria. >> they absolutely have to be a part of it and so does iran. to idea that we could come some sort of accommodation

libyan patriot and was involved in libyan civil society efforts against the former cannot be regime -- gadhafi regime. she responded to her countries call by accepting senior positions in the ministries of education prior to her current assignment. jonathan winer is secretary kerry's special emissary for libya. he was a key member of kerry's staff when john kerry was the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. john kerry brought into the state department where he performed a number of jobs that might be called thankless because they were really touchy issues. he showed himself able to apply the very bottom principles -- the very broad principles of foreign policy to specific circumstances. his current assignment has been something he has been doing for 2.5 years. it has made him very aware of the interest to libya's arab african and european neighbors, as well as the various crosscurrents in the libyan body politic. that is the order on which i'm going to ask our speakers to address issues for about eight minutes. then i will ask a few questions and we may have a bit of an intercha

>>>and donald trump says it was a mistake for the united states to intervene in toppling gadhafi. he talked about that. but in 2011, the year he went in there, trump was calling for military action. hmm. will voters give trump a pass on his wildly changings positions? >>> finally, the behind-the-scenes story of the camp david accords, president carter's breakthrough peace deal between israel and egypt. this is "hardball," the place for politics. with booking.com's range rebel and key can wing it all the way to jordan and chelsea's wedding. rumble! road trip. there she is. uh oh, oh, oh, oh, what? so here is our road trip itinerary. what's this? a bunch of different places... nah, bro. we gotta go off-script. rip to shreds every motel, cabin and teepee, between here and the wedding. now get out of my seat. alright. (screams) road trip! whahhhh hahaha... road trip! >>> i'm milissa rehberger with breaking news. an armed man was shot earlier outside the white house grounds triggering a lockdown. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent, jim miklaszewski has the latest. jim, what can you tel

if you could give bobby knight, could knight, gadhafi possible? possible? i have his phone number on my desk. i said what a great idea so i called them up and here is how smart he is. he goes i've been waiting for your call. can you believe that? then he said when can we meet? he's been so incredible and he said some things that were really great. he said donald, i'm going to work so hard for you to be great. we are going to bring jobs back. we are not going to let carrier committing go to mexico. there've got to be consequences. when people want to lay off 1400 people go to mexico and sell their product back to us with no tax or consequence is not going to happen and that's not only carrier. we are losing our manufacturers. we are losing our country between what is happening there, what's happening with china, 500 million-dollar trade deficit with china, $58 billion with mexico, a trade deficit a tremendous trade deficit, astronomical trade deficit with japan. we have a deficit with everybody. and now they want to make a new deal transpacific partner shop

you cannot say that gadhafi has come over to isis. it is often a very personalized choices. but some refugees told me, they had the saying, better the hell of islamic state than the paradise of this. we would rather subjugate this draconian group, then after the revolution. it was fruitful. the islamic state appears to be moving south towards tripoli. exclusionng on the and marginalization. the dynamics there are more financial. there are families that have had the longtime affiliation with jihaidsm. there is a large foreign component. most of it is tunisians. what is their strategy right now? i would argue it is one of consolidation and disruption, to consolidate their hold and to cut off oil revenues. and disrupt the formation of a new state. you saw this in the attacks on police training. to peel away the losers of the new orders. what are the tribes? what are the disgruntled youth that we can peel away? and to shift westward towards tripoli. now, the key challenges that we have. i guess i have one minute. i think charles outlined them really well. the partnership, who do

and she got rid of gadhafi. and now you have a mess. and you know who has the oil? has the oil in libya? isis has the oil. so, you know what we got out of it, we got death, we got destruction, we got isis rebuilding stronger than ever in libya. if isis has the oil, why aren't we blockading so they can't sell it. why aren't we bombing the hell -- >> but speaking as a point of fact, isis does not control lib oil fields in libya. >>> new video appears to show its special forces with kurdish groups, they're there with them. the u.s. denies that the troops on the forward line in syria but the video casts doubt on it. jim sciutto has this report. >> reporter: u.s. special forces just north of the isis stronghold of raqqah, syria. alongside fighting the terror group. offense news agency captured these rare images wearing the significantnia of the kurdish forces they're fighting alongside as ankara considers the terrorist. >> wearing the ypg patch was unauthorized and inappropriate. corrective action has been taken. >> reporter: the images made clear that the u.s. forces ar

the assad family, mubarak, gadhafi, saddam hussein, and it was established, it was locked in place. but like these old row houses, it was a lot of appearances, and on the inside it was tremendous rot, and the rot was ignorance, nepotism, corruption, religious tensions that were kept at bay by strongmen activities like those carried out by saddam hussein, and like in these old houses, you contain the rot, but if you don't open the windows and don't 0 open the doors and spend any money on it, you also make it worse. and that was the situation, very fragile paradigm, and you could put your finger through the wall. and instead the united states put its shoulder through the wall of iraq, and started a sequence of evened that we're still really living and experiencing to this day. so, eight years of direct military action. started to destroy this stat tuesday quo and unleash all ol' the rot and these demons that had been pent up, and then the very soon to be eight years of the obama administration, we saw inconsistent policies. and they were supporting the revolution in egypt, and then da

incompetence of her pointing to the bleachers, like babe ruth, we came, we saw, we died referencing gadhafind the cover-up in the lines of the families of the dead. all of this is bad for hillary. charles: of course, and shifting to the supreme court nomination, the nominee list, betsy, back to you, you wrote a pretty scathing article. why are you so skeptical? >> well, a big reason that a lot of the conservatives are skeptical about the list is they don't think trump will follow through on it. trump has given a ton of ammo to hillary and the progressives. the folks he named are shocking to anyone particularly when it involves gay rights. one of the men on the list compared same-sex relationships between men to necrophilia. it's going to help him particularly with pro-lifers because it is a very, very pro-life list of folks. it highlights how much drama we have to look forward to in the next few months. charles: danny, a strong list, you are pleased with the names on the list? >> this is a heavy hitter list, like a good businessman donald trump doubled down on the presidency, made it not ab

there are so many weapons since the overthrow of gadhafi. they have. it is not just if. it is when. when you hear this, that's what they look at. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. we'll hold you over. we'll take a quick break. we can tell you breaking news according to egyptair. the pilot did make that call. >>> thanks for joining fox news. we continue to follow breaking news. egypt flight 804 has disappeared. vanished somewhere over the mediterranean sea south of turkey. and now the latest development. we just learned according to egyptair. the pilot did make a distressed call. that was at approximately 2:26 a.m. local time. it was lost from radar around 2:45 a.m. local time. flying at an altitude of 37,000 feet. all of this information obviously just coming in and could change accordingly. adam is still on the phone with us. adam, you just reported before we went to break that the pilot had made a distress call. egyptair confirming it. that does change things. >> we're learning now, i spoke to you about 25 minutes ago, egyptair there, now a search and rescue team picked up a signal f

now, madam secretary, you cannot deny it was you who lobbied for the overthrow of libyan president gadhafi, creating a decent into chaos and a welcome mat to terrorists. it was you, madam secretary, who didn't protect ambassador chris stevens, instead responding to your so-called friend's plea for more security by actually reducing his security. and it was you who left americans at that consulate when the brits left and the red cross left because everybody else knew it was too dangerous. it was you who lied about a video when you told your own daughter that same night that it was an al qaeda-like attack in benghazi. and you have the audacity to say the parents of those killed are basically liars when they repeated what you said. but then again, you talk a big game about terrorism. >> once again shines a very bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups. isis, of course, but then there are other networks of terrorists that have to be hunted down and defeated. >> you are going to hunt them down? hillary, how long do your hunts take? who has been brought to justice in

. >> the united states and nato depose gadhafi, it opened up this pandora's box that we didn't have a plan for slamming the lid shut. >> as nobel prize winning, president obama has been at war longer than any other american president. >> yes, he is a wartime president, to be sure. he's in stark contrast to them because he has always wanted minimum participation by u.s. troops in the war, then get out aspossible. >> reporter: including the war in libya. you know that, brett. tonight, i want to pass along, the pentagon confirmed over five months coalition has only been able to get 5% in iraq. plenty of work has to be done. >> kevin corke, thank you. >>> president obama is calling on the nation to support and listen to its law enforcement officers. today, the president bestilled the medal of valor on 13 officers who risked their lives to save others. >> so grateful they were there, some on duty, others off duty. all rising above and beyond the call of duty, all stating the lives of people they didn't know, the men and women who run toward danger remind us with your courage and humility a

for eight months, the most attractive situation in history, we chased out and killed gadhafi.ou we see the fruits of that in the capsized votes. people failing a scaled debate. >> the countries, it's a different world literally. they don't operate putting in place a constitution. it's a very difficult fight. >> general mcchrystal in afghanistan spoke of bringing in a government in a box. the difficulty of a government in a box. >> so many competing interests there. iran, russia, china. it's complex beyond measure. >> very complex, which is why, you know, these solutions really never work out. this president, you know, i think of his foreign -- as if there's going to be an obama doctrine, surrender without peace. >> how much do you think it's going to factor in the election? >> i think right now they are on people's minds, not the forefront. as we often see in the elections, something can very quickly change the situation. >> george? >> the first beheading issue changed the republican running. it eliminated rand paul. something like that, events, have a way of intruding. >>> ne

. >> the united states and nato depose gadhafi, it opened up this pandora's box that we didn't have a plan for slamming the lid shut. >> as nobel prize winning, president obama has been at war longer than any other american president. >> yes, he is a wartime president, to be sure. he's in stark contrast to them because he has always wanted minimum participation by u.s. troops in the war, then get out aspossible. >> reporter: including the war in libya. you know that, brett. tonight, i want to pass along, the pentagon confirmed over five months coalition has only been able to get 5% in iraq plenty of work has to be done. >> kevin corke, thank you. >>> president obama is calling on the nation to support and listen to its law enforcement officers. today, the president bestilled the medal of valor on 13 officers who risked their lives to save others. >> so grateful they were there, some on duty, others off duty. all rising above and beyond the call of duty, all stating the lives of people they didn't know, the men and women who run toward danger remind us with your courage and humility an

back in the day when jon stewart had the daily smop i had just gotten out of libya after gadhafi hadn thrown out of the office but not yet captured and the country was in chaos. i got involved -- i got caught in a crossfire there. jon stewart mocked me by comparing notice my what turned out to be my favorite movie of all time "lawrence of arabia." here it is. >> and he was poet, a star and a mighty warrior. >> most extraordinary man i ever met. >> watch it, watch it. >> i love it. >> show inspired by that, i saw it when i came back that in decided to write a war memoir that i just finished and titling it "geraldo of arabia." i'll publish it at the end of summer. >> you said tora tora to trump? >> one of the great movies. >> i don't know if i'll follow that. people on twitter are still enjoying our last segment where everybody flew up in the air. my husband called me and said i'm still up in the air. >> oh, you just nagd him. >> i'll be off in a second. i love you. no, no. remember this lovely lady she's 107 years old. this is when we last saw her. dancing with the obamas. she went to

gadhafi and libya is killing thousands of people. and we're sitting around.them to stop this horrible carnage. and that's what it is. it's carnage. and he goes on and talks about how it's absolutely nuts. we don't want to get involved and you'll end up with something like you've never seen before. so very clearly in favor of the libya invasion. >> and he says, quote, we should go in and stop this guy. and earlier on the show he said i would have stayed out. a little bit of a disconnect there. this plays very much into the frame the clinton campaign is working hard to put on donald trump. they are casting him as risky, particularly on national security, foreign policy. they, of course, want the conversation to be about this and not a lot of the other things donald trump has brought up related to the clintons personal life. >> time for business before the bell. sara eisen has got that. what are you watching this morning? >> we are looking at a higher open for stocks. but that doesn't change the fact that we're looking at another down week for the markets, which

since the ouster of moammar gadhafi back in 2011 north africa has become increasingly chaotic and politically unstable. >>> cooler today across the entire bay area especially inland. you can see readings today still some 80s but the cool spots as you would expect coastside pacifica 66 degrees. san francisco 67. antioch 86 to 90 degrees. live camera looking toward the bay bridge in san francisco. by looking at this you get the idea we do have low clouds moving back into the picture that's showing up on the satellite picture as well. the marine layer clouds focused down towards the central cold front. we have patchy fog near the coast that will push locally back into the bay. here is the plan for tomorrow for monday memorial day starting out the day with partly cloudy skies and patchy foggy specially near the cold front and then into the afternoon hours will increase sunshine still some patchy coastal fog few patches south of the golden gate bridge and bigger temperature range. most areas tomorrow will be warmer than today. overnight lows first thing tomorrow morning starting out your monday mo

scenes they thought they'd seen the last of once they defeated gadhafi, but back again.r 100 injured and 9 dead. on a scale, the hospital can barely cope, relatives kept out can only peer through the glass for news. the most severely wounded are being brought out now. a steady stream of casualties, quite unlike anything this city is used to. along with that sense of isis, never really have been so close or so threatening. funerals now too common, they say. this for abdullah, killed in the first of the two suicide bombings, leaving his wife pregnant with their third child. the martyr is the friend of god, they chant. after five years of war, it barely jars other routines. weddings go on nearby. america is for now here as little as it can be. and isis are winning. the wait for outside help measured in sons lost. >> that was nick paton walsh reporting. we'll be right back. e revs] ♪ ♪ [engine revving] the all-new audi a4 is here. man, it's like pure power at your finger tips. like the power to earn allstate reward points, every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back

. >> i can't believe what our country is doing, gadhafi in libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is and we're sitting around and we have soldiers all over the middle east and not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage. we should go in and stop this guy which would be very easy and quick. we could do it surgically, stop him from doing it and save these lives. >> there's this position donald trump had on the invasion of iraq, this is during the cnn debate in simi valley just last year. >> i am the only person on this day -- only person that fought very, very hard against us and i wasn't a sitting politician going into iraq. >> in 2002, speaking with howard stern. >> invading iraq? >> i guess so. i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> david, help people understand when a candidate does this and there's a track record of changing positions, does it make it more difficult for the candidate to enlist trust from voters because you look at the front page today and it talks about traditional republican donors who say they have a problem w

>> i think all trump has to do is say, she wanted to get rid of gadhafi, look at the mess libya has,he wanted to reset the foreign policy, they took russia and crimea and now in syria. that was a disaster. her policies have consistently failed. this is one of her real challenges. she can't go back and tell you it was a great success because it wasn't. you could say, yes, she has a lot of experience but it's experience of losing. it would be like taking the last coach for the atlanta braves who got fired and say, at least he's got experience of leading a losing team. her policies have failed. and i think trump -- i listened to him on "fox & friends," i think trump is very prepared to debate whoever is ready for foreign policy. >> that 15% tax rate he's talk willing about, you have to believe that will create a boom for the stock market and, perhaps, move needle on economic growth. 15% corporate tax rate, newt. i know there are questions about how he pays for it, but he says once he moves the needle on economic growth, that partly pays for it. >> it clearly does. that's what happened w

people rose up against gadhafi. not to follow through and trump never mentioned afghanistan so his foreign policy to me to just isolationism, we're either going to fight radical islam over there in their back yard or in our back yard. but trump is the most unelectable candidate we could put up against hillary clinton. women and hispanics hate his guts for good reason. >> dickerson: let's unpack some of that. let's talk about senator bob corker your colleague in the senate. chairman of the foreign relations committee who said that the speech you just credit advertise r sized there was a good speech challenged foreign policy world he seemed to think it was okay. he's no dummy. >> no, he's no dummy but i 'disagree with bob. obama did not intervene in iraq. we had iraq in a good place, withdrew all of our forces against sound military advice. he didn't intervene in syria. his entire national security team advised to help when assad was on the ropes. that's how isil came about. because of poor foreign policy choices by p