a prominent anti gadhafi opposition leader and a leading member of an anti gadhafi militia as well which is called the libyan islam exploiting group the l i f g just a little bit more information about this group the ally f. g. it operated from one thousand nine hundred five until last year it was considered an al qaeda affiliate and the group stage three attempts to assassinate gadhafi himself so a pretty violent organization so much so that it was regarded as a terrorist group by the u.k. and the u.s. nevertheless despite his checkered past shall we say and his wife have been on a quest for an apology from the british government ever since he was released from prison six years ago and documents discovered after the fall of gadhafi revealed that british m i six agents were involved in bell kidnapping so the kidnapping took place in two thousand and four in thailand belle hodges wife fatima was four months pregnant at the time and cia and m i six agents together kidnapped kidnapped them and handed them back over to the gadhafi government where bell hard claims he was then imprisoned and

a prominent anti gadhafi opposition leader and a leading member of an anti gadhafi militia as well which is called the libyan islamic fighting group the l i f g just a little bit more information about this group the ally f. g. it operated from one thousand nine hundred five until last year it was considered an al qaeda affiliate and the group stage three attempts to assassinate gadhafi himself so pretty violent organization so much so that it was regarded as a terrorist group by the u.k. and the u.s. nevertheless despite his checkered past shall we say and his wife have been on a quest for an apology from the british government ever since he was released from prison six years ago and documents discovered after the fall of gadhafi revealed that british m i six agents were involved in bell hard kidnapping so the kidnapping took place in two thousand and four in thailand belle hodges wife fatima was four months pregnant at the time and cia and m i six agents together kidnapped kidnapped them and handed them back over to the gadhafi government where bell hard claims he was then imprisoned a

was still in power he was a prominent anti gadhafi dissident and a leading member of an anti gadaffi militia called the libyan islamic fighting group. g. that was why he fled libya back in two thousand and one just a little more information about this group the ally f. g. it was operated from one thousand nine hundred five to last year it was considered an al qaeda affiliate and it staged three attempts to assassinate gadhafi the group's been regarded as a terrorist group both by the u.k. government and the us government up until it disbanded last year nevertheless despite this relatively dubious checkered past bell haulage and his wife have been on a quest for an apology from the british government ever since he was released from prison and documents were discovered after the fall of the gadhafi government that linked the kidnapping of belle harbor and his wife to m i six two british m i six agents she was four months pregnant at the time this happened it was back in two thousand and four in thailand cia and m i six agents kidnapped the two and handed them back to the gadhafi govern

a prominent anti gadhafi opposition leader and a leading member of an anti gadhafi militia as well which is called the libyan islamic fighting group the l i f g that would explain why he fled libya back in two thousand and one just a little bit more information about this group the ally f. g. it operated from one thousand nine hundred five until last year it was considered an al qaeda affiliate and the group stage three attempts to assassinate gadhafi himself so a pretty violent organization so much so that it was regarded as a terrorist group by the u.k. and the u.s. nevertheless despite his checkered past shall we say and his wife have been on a quest for an apology from the british government ever since he was released from prison six years ago and documents discovered after the fall of gadhafi revealed that british m i six agents were involved in bel hired just kidnapping so the kidnapping took place in two thousand and four in thailand bel hodges wife fatima was four months pregnant at the time and cia and m i six agents together kidnapped kidnapped them and handed them back over to

a prominent anti gadhafi opposition leader and a leading member of an anti gadhafi militia as well which is called the libyan islamic fighting group the l i f g just a little bit more information about this group the ally f. g. it operated from one thousand nine hundred five until last year it was considered an al qaeda affiliate and the group stage three attempts to assassinate gadhafi himself so a pretty violent organization so much so that it was regarded as a terrorist group by the u.k. and the u.s. nevertheless despite his checkered past shall we say and his wife have been on a quest for an apology from the british government ever since he was released from prison six years ago and documents discovered after the fall of gadhafi revealed that british m i six agents were involved in bell hard kidnapping so the kidnapping took place in two thousand and four in thailand belle hodges wife fatima was four months pregnant at the time and cia and m i six agents together kidnapped kidnapped them and handed them back over to the gadhafi government where bell hard claims he was then imprisoned

we never said to gadhafi, oh, we are going to give you protection.e're going to give you military strength. we are going to give you these things. we went in and decimated him. >> now joining me is author of "nuclear showdown: north korea takes on the world," gordon chang is also a columnist for "the daily beast." the president maybe in a striking reversal doing cleanup for an aide. >> this was absolutely fascinating. they're really using different meanings the term libyan model. bolton means basically we pull up the planes and ships and go away and when the president talks about libyan model i think he means we kill a dictator and different meanings both of them used. >> but he is also speaking to kim jong-un who might hear libyan model and hear gadhafi was killed by rebels of the u.s. >> end of april john bolton speaking to "face the nation" i think he did want to instill fear in kim jong-un and wanted to derail the talks. i don't know. the point is that's something going to catch the north koreanss' attention. >> interesting. i want you to listen

remember the colonel colonel gadhafi he once had the nuclear program scary stuff a despot with nuclear weapons so the world sanctioned him pressured him punished him eventually colonel gadhafi offered to scrap his nuclear program the u.s. and britain made the deal all hush hush they lifted sanctions resurrected relations made friends seven years later they came back and helped to kill him. he died painfully tortured alone in the desert his army having been obliterated by the u.s. britain and allies his murderers freedom fighters they called them then would go on to plunge libya into anarky killing thousands many and the place on terror lists later pundits in america in europe in korea would write that perhaps gadhafi giving up the only weapon that could have protected him was a bad idea in pyongyang's view the libyans took the economic bait foolishly disarmed themselves and once they were defenseless were mercilessly punished by the west the president for really been leaders gadhafi his brutal death does not offer much confidence can join in about a safe exit the libyan crisis is teach

weapons so the world sanctioned him pressured him punished him eventually colonel gadhafi offered to scrap his nuclear program the u.s. and britain made the deal all hush hush they lifted sanctions resurrected relations made friends seven years later they came back and helped to kill him. he died painfully tortured alone in the desert his army having been obliterated by the u.s. britain and allies his murderers freedom fighters they called them then would go on to plunge libya into anarchy killing thousands many and the place on terror lists later pundits in america in europe in korea would write that perhaps gadhafi giving up the only weapon that could have protected him was a bad idea in pyongyang's view the libyans took the economic bait foolishly disarmed themselves and once they were defenseless were mercilessly punished by the west the president a firm really been leaders gadhafi his brutal death does not offer much conference about a safe exit the libyan crisis is teaching the international community a great lesson iran when giving up its nuclear program thought it could get a

weapons so the world sanctioned him pressured him punished him eventually colonel gadhafi offered to scrap his nuclear program the u.s. and britain made the deal all hush hush they lifted sanctions resurrected relations made friends seven years later they came back and helped to kill him. he died painfully tortured alone in the desert his army having been obliterated by the u.s. britain and allies his murderers freedom fighters they called them then would go on to plunge libya into anarchy killing thousands many and the place on terror lists later pundits in america in europe in korea would write that perhaps gadhafi giving up the only weapon that could have protected him was a bad idea in pyongyang's view the libyans took the economic bait foolishly disarmed themselves and once they were defenseless were mercilessly punished by the west the president a firm really been leaders gadhafi is brutal death does not offer much confidence can join in about a safe exit the libyan crisis is teaching the international community a great lesson iran when giving up its nuclear program thought it

and in fact not the first time washington is drawing a parallel between kim and gadhafi yeah i think that's what denuclearization means and we have very much in mind the libyan model from two thousand and three two thousand and four the model if you look at that model with gadhafi that was a total decimation we went in there to beat him now that model would take place if we don't make a deal most likely it's not just this threatening rhetoric that's jeopardizing progress. in the negotiations with north korea another spoke in the whale was the u.s. and south korea moving forward with a military trail at north korea's doorstep since then north korea has threatened to call off the summit many observers are asking questions on why they would need to provoke after we saw that historic meeting between the leaders of the north and south last month for many that was the sign of a big change coming the white house military office even produced a special queen ahead of trump's planned meeting with kim it shows the two leaders smiling at one another and describes the meeting as peace talks but

but ten years on in the same british government was helping bring gadhafi down and in the rubble of tripoli the files emerged detailing the relationship between m i six the american cia and libyan intelligence. it took a full six years for the u.k. authorities to accept his argument he had asked for nothing except an apology. you know when we do funny today the british government has acknowledged and apologized for the suffering of my wife and myself years ago i thank them for this brave step . the british government has learned a lesson from this and i hope other governments around the world will learn it as well. and outside the u.k. parliament. held up the letter from the british prime minister offering the total apology for what they've done the u.k. lost its way when it got mixed up in the rendition of an innocent pregnant woman and an anti kadafi dissident but today i think it stood on the right side of history by recognising its mistakes and by apologizing. and so where does this leave the reputation of m i six it's worth bearing in mind that spies do what their political mas

it doesn't sign off on a deal painting he could follow the fate of the late libyan leader moammar gadhafi . this will only like the libyan model ended if kim jong un doesn't make a deal some people saw that as a threat well i think it's more of a fact referring to libya let's remind ourselves what happened to libyan leader colonel gadhafi in return for economic aid and sanctions really he agreed to abandon his nuclear ambitions back in two thousand and three but within a few years he was overthrown and killed as a result of a nato led bombing campaign this is being somewhat of a warning to p.r. and in fact it's not the first time washington is drawing a parallel between kim and gadhafi yeah i think that's what denuclearization means and we have very much in mind the libya model from two thousand and three two thousand and four the model if you look at that model with gadhafi that was a total decimation we went in there to be to know that model would take place if we don't make a deal most likely it's not just this threatening rhetoric that's jeopardizing progress in the negotiations with

weapons so the world sanctioned him pressured him punished him eventually colonel gadhafi offered to scrap his nuclear program the u.s. and britain made the deal all hush hush they lifted sanctions resurrected relations made friends seven years later they came back and helped to kill him. he died painfully tortured alone in the desert his army having been obliterated by the u.s. britain and allies his murderous freedom fighters they called them then would go on to plunge libya into anarky killing thousands many and the place on terror lists later pundits in america in europe in korea would write that perhaps gadhafi giving up the only weapon that could have protected him was a bad idea in pyongyang's view the libyans took the economic bait foolishly disarmed themselves and once they were defenseless were mercilessly punished by the west the president a firm really been leaders gadhafi his brutal death does not offer much confidence can join in about a safe exit the libyan crisis is teaching the international community a great lesson iran when giving up its nuclear program thought it

when dictator hold on to nukes they see gadhafi's corpse. think trump is trying to say is if denuclearize, we'll protect you and you can retain power. if you don't, you will be dead. >> didn't i just say that? >> i think so. >> exact thing. >> my husband said it stronglier. >> i don't think it was stronger at all. >> louder. >> no, no. i don't think stronger at all. >> but you are saying he just got caught up in the campaign talking points opposed to -- >> i think default. >> understanding what bolton was talking about. >> i think he hadn't maybe read the briefing book of the 2003, 2004 part of gadhafi did after 9/11 offer up his nuclear weapons and then did end reigning peacefully until 2013. that's the first part of that is the model we want kim jong-un to take part. >> what about the idea that president trump saying we never said to gadhafi we'll give you protection? implying that they are saying to kim jong-un we're going to give you protection? >> very clearly what they're implying. maybe didn't -- the details of the deal with gadhafi m

gadhafi gives up his weapons of mass destruction and several years later u.s.d rebels in libya overthrew the government and he was killed. that's the model that kim jong-un is looking at, that gadhafi was killed essentially in return for some vulnerability to his regime and that's what kim does not want. i think every u.s. intelligence official will tell you that kim's major priority is survival of himself, his family and his regime in north korea and he is reacting very badly, but not unexpectedly to any notion that the libya model could put him at risk. he is not going to go for that, kate. >> let's see what happens in the next moments, really. >> great to see you, barbara. thank you so much. >> joining me to discuss further, purdue sits on the senate arms services committee. good morning, kate. >> what's your reaction for the new threat now from north korea? >> i was just in south korea a few weeks ago and in china talking to senior leadership in china as well as south korea. look, we never thought that this negotiation with korea would be linear. you have t

we know years later what happened to moammar gadhafi. issue for the north koreans. that's why they were so angry at mike pence and john bolton. did they have a point? >> well, you know, i think bringing up the libyan model, if you look at the libyan model constructed under george w. bush's administration, it was successful. then gadhafi met his end. so the unease i do understand. perhaps bringing up the libyan model was not a wise thing in the long run but the first part of the libyan model was working. gadhafi gave up his nuclear preparations. and because he didn't want to see what would happen next. so now it's a big guess on how this works out in korea. but i am still hopeful we find a way to denuclearize that peninsula without war. south korea is so prosperous. they've got such a work ethic and educational foundation. they've sent at least 8 million south koreans to the united states for education. that whole country has been rebuilt in the last 60, 70 years. that same thing could be in store for north korea if we could just get past

so we succeeded in the short term goal get rid of gadhafi to depose that government but then what happened we didn't have a plan for what was going to come next we thought that maybe by magic some new peaceful regime would urge everybody would cooperate with things together. just. to say. fit. anything on because i was about ten at. the most and it's mostly the something you could a. good . looking mobile number. with. something on sandusky enumclaw self-image and i'm gone. my. teeth. will go up twenty eighteen coverage we've signed one of the greatest kill people. but there was one more question and by the way it's going to be our coach. guys i know you are nervous is a huge star looks and a huge amount of pressure to come after you have to put me to the center of the jaw with you and we'll show you all the great the greatest good you are the rock at the back nobody gets past you we need you to get the ball going let's go. illo. and i'm really happy to join the fall of two thousand and three in the world cup in russia meet this special one. meets just at the reno team's latest edition to

on the other hand trumps threatening the libya scenario the model if you look at that model with gadhafi that was a total decimation we went in there to beat him now that model would take place if we don't make a deal most likely but let's quickly remind ourselves what happened in libya in two thousand and three gadhafi renounced his nuclear program but despite that he was overthrown in a meta led campaign years later so not a fairy tale ending for gadhafi but it's not just rhetoric that could be jeopardizing diplomacy there's also joint military drills being held between the u.s. and south korea on north korea's doorstep but thankfully some are questioning the need to provoke young yang especially considering the historic meeting that took place last month between the north and south and this also comes at a very special time just as the u.s. is going back on its word to adhere to the iran deal pulling out of it entirely so i'm sure that north korea is taking all of these factors into consideration before agreeing to deal with the u.s. general mcadams from the ron paul piece institute t

brokered a deal with gadhafi to completely give up his nuclear weapons program. ditch. some analysts believe when john bolton was referring to the libyan model he might have been talking about the north koreans giving up their nuclear weapons, not overthrowing kim. the north koreans have long said that libya was a quote, lesson to them, that they needed nuclear weapons to safeguard kim's regime from gadhafi's feat. >> there was no way the united states was going to bomb his country in 201 because the united states has never attacked a nuclear armed state. >> tonight experts are concerned about other possibilities. >> how might kim jong-un respond to the gadhafi threat? >> the movie the interview a few years agewhich featured a comic assassination of the leader kim jong-un in north korea sent them ballistic. they hacked sony films and shut them down. >> tonight analysts warn that the gadhafi threat could backfire on president trump in other ways. it could make president trump look like a paper tiger if he du doesn't follow through and drive away crucial allies lik

on the other hand tribes threatening the libya scenario the model if you look at that model with gadhafi that was a total decimation we went in there to beat him now that model would take place if we don't make a deal most likely but let's quickly remind ourselves what happened in libya in two thousand and three gadhafi renounced his nuclear program but despite that he was overthrown in a nato led campaign years later so not a fairy tale ending for gadhafi but it's not just rhetoric that could be jeopardizing diplomacy there's also joint military drills being held between the u.s. and south korea on north korea's doorstep but thankfully some are questioning the need to provoke young yang especially considering the historic meeting that took place last month between the north and south and this also comes at a very special time just as the u.s. is going back on its word to adhere to the iran deal pulling out of it entirely so i'm sure that north korea is taking all of these factors into consideration before agreeing to deal with the u.s. i spoke to daniel mcadams from the wrong paul pace

is now hinting that kim jong could follow the fate of the late libyan leader colonel gadhafi if peace doesn't sign off on a new. this was only the libyan model and the jong un doesn't make a deal some people saw that as a threat well i think it's more of a fact. for more all this i'm joined in the studio by hadley sure set c. for her take how we should just what was said there by the u.s. vice president what was meant by well referring to libya let's first of all remind ourselves what happened to libya needs colonel gadhafi back in two thousand and eleven well in return for economic aid and sanctions relief he agreed to abandon his nuclear ambitions but just within a few years he was overthrown and killed as a result of a nato led bombing campaign now this is being somewhat of a warning to p.r. the fate of the trump kim summit has been hanging in the balance and in light of recent remarks by trump and also by the u.s. national security advisor john bolton that north korea should strike a similar deal to that libya made in two thousand and three. i think that's what denuclearization me

there was no deal to keep gadhafi. this would be with kim jong un, something where he'd be there, he'd be running his country. his country would be very rich. his people are tremendously industrious. if you look at south korea, this would be a south korean model in terms of their industry, in terms of what they do. they're hard working, incredible people. but the libyan model was a much different model. we decimated that country. we never said to gadhafi, oh, we're going to give you protection, we're going to give you military strength, we're going to give you all of these things. we went in and decimated him, and we did the same thing with iraq. now, whether or not we should have, i could tell you i was against it from the beginning because look what we have right now. we have spent $7 trillion -- can you believe that -- $7 trillion in the middle east right out the window. you might as well throw the money right out the window. and we've done a lot of infrastructure. we just had airports approved, a lot of things are

do you recall when gadhafi was killed? >> i think perhaps donald trump is the only person in america who would not be interpreting that to mean that at the end of the story, the leader of that country dies. why would president trump think that was a good model to be used -- >> i think you made my point, senator. >> what's that? >> 2003 and 2004. gadhafi survived long after 2004. >> right. >> and ambassador bolton spoke to 2003 and 2004. let me give you the second reason -- >> no, no, no. the model is he gives up the weapons in 2003 and 2004, and then he ultimately gets killed. that's what we are saying when using the gadhafi model. why would that be a good way of having a conversation with someone who we're asking to engage in denuclearization. i don't understand what you're talking about. >> we apparently are having a difficulty in communicating this morning, senator. i'm doing my best to articulate and i'm clearly incapable of communicating to you. >> i think you are. i think you're trying to divide -- i'm describing a n