gadhafi sr. made it very clear he was never willing to compromise on the issue of political reform.nd all of the sort of, the very entering set of conversations between -- interesting set of conversations and the various sources that i quote in the book that describe the, you know, the sort of arguments and disputes and negotiations to some degree between the people that he chose to advance some of his reformist policies and, you know, what gadhafi sr. was willing to permit. and gradually as time went on, there was more and more of a feeling that by some of gadhafi's longer-term aides that-not good, and he was going too far. -- that this was not good, and he was going too far. but when the revolution actually occurred, and i think this is a critical fact, you know, these, this group of individuals was able to play a kind of a mediating role and convince -- and actually make a case to the united states that through individuals like ambassador stevens and secretary clinton that there was actually someone to talk to. -- >> we're having some technical trouble with the program you're wit