the gadsden flag, the don't tread on me. >> okay. >> which is the gadsden flag. >> it has nothing tolavery. that's the revolutionary war patch. >> steve: she is right. brian this dates back to 1775. christopher gadsden came up with it. he was a south carolina delegate. and this south carolina delegate said hey, here is this great flag when we go battle unfurl it and they did on 1775. this kid was 100 percent right and able to keep that pin on. the teacher, it's not a we. it's really her that has a problem with it because people are just getting ready to exercise anger all the time. >> steve: the school board also doubled down on what the teacher had said. you cannot -- the school board said you can't come back. >> rachel: it's interesting. this is actually a charter school which claims to be a classical education. so they are had to do a big, you know, turn around on their points the parents are upset the mom so calm. i'm impressed. i wouldn't go and be that nice about it. but kind of very politely educated the teacher who is not very educated doesn't understand american history and

a school in colorado removed a 12-year-old student from his classroom over the gadsden flag. it was on his backpack with other patches buck that flag of course including the famous don't tread on me phrase, one teacher was seen in the video with the boy's parents basically saying that flag was connected to slavery. now, in a statement, the district says that the real issues were that the patches disclayed semiautomatic weapons and those patches were removed, but the district decided that the flag, the gadsden flag would remain. now the state's democratic governor is defending that student. governor jared polis is joining me now. thank you for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure, abbey. >> you called the gadsden flag a proud symbol of the american revolution. what do you make of why this incident happened in the first place? >> i call it a teaching moment. we all remember high school, college, there's kids with pins on their backpacks. maybe it's a feminist pink an anti-war pin, maybe it's a conservative one, and that enriches the discussion, right? kids are trying out differen

the don't tread on me flag, the gadsden flag, really an iconic american flag.ry. of course, it's been adopted i love the tea party and others, sure it has. a kid can have an i love the tea party pin on their backpack to. i, mean look, let's just let kids have their free expression, in school. and if they want to advocate for the political beliefs, i think that something that should be encouraged. it's all about free speech. >> yeah, i think it's perhaps the central question here. do you think that's why this teacher made that association to slavery? because it has been associated with the right? with the tea party, and perhaps, with the republican party? >> you know, it's a good opportunity to really go through the history and see that, as americans, we should all take pride in the gadsden flag. the rattlesnake, as ben franklin said, they never attacked first. they never back down. once they're in a fight. a lot of americans identify with that spirit. look, it goes deeper than that. if we want the moral high ground, abby, to say that schools shouldn't be bannin

but it's rather cross the river, the cooper river from gadsden the wall, gadsden is where some historians say it's to 50% of all of the africans that came into this country and were enslaved came through gas and walls. so we started 23 years ago to build this museum. and while we were doing some of the research, we that we were building the museum, we planned to a museum across the street from the real gaston wall. and we call in archeology artists and we verified the fact that that was gaston wharf. so in a national african-american museum that opened in charleston three weeks ago is built on the site of gaston wharf. now, most of you know a lot about wealth. you just don't know. you've seen this yellow flag, the gaston with that snake curled on it that's the guest flay and that's the guy that owned gaston the wall that was his flag. and so that flag has now become something that it was never to be by this family. so today this museum getting great reviews simply because it has a part of. it you can go into this museum and you can sit in this room and if you are among. the 90% of african

in an e-mail the board says, look, we recognize the historical significance of the gadsden flag and itso you work out politics in the classroom? because this is an example of politics in the classroom and the trouble the it creates. >> well, what you see from these school districts, and this is actually one of the first things that really propelled me into this fight, is they come up with these policies and say no hateful similar follows, no offensive symbols. who's deeming what offense incentive. stuart: exactly. >> who is making that decision? is it's subjective. i remember three years ago somebody came to my house, and i had the join or die flag the, right? it was ben franklin designed that flag, it was the colonies uniting really against the french and indian war, and the person said to me, is that flag racist? no. why is every single thing in history racist to these people? that's problem. when you allow them to control these policies and these decisions and what is and is not offensive, you're infringing on free speech rights, and your really trying to memory hole american history

alan gas, glasgow and the woman within and christopher gadsden and the american revolution and confederate colonel and cherokee chief. the life of william holland thomas. but it's biographies of jimmy and rosalynn that brings us here tonight. and, you know, i think there is probably better person to be in congress with stan lee than steve. steve has been to president carter since 81. he helped research and edit carter's book, keeping faith, and has really had a hand in every book too. carter has written or projects or classes at emory university, so sit back, enjoy its time to learn a lot about president and mrs. carter. steve stanley. thank you, tony. thank you, tony and it is really quite an honor for me to be invited to to come here. and i appreciate it. i especially appreciate it because i don't know what percentage of my life has been in the research room here but i would say pretty close to 30% now. well, start out back. in 1987. that's when research room opened at the jimmy carter library. you weren't here for that. that occasion, but was the year, i believe, when you decided to wor

molly gadsden team sitting at table as well. sources with fox digital says the president will plead not guilty. your thoughts, neil. >> i'm no lawyer. i have watched enough episodes of "law and order" to qualified. what is fascinating, this indictment is just charging donald trump. it's just him. they talk about these six co-conspirators. they're not part of this process today, which gets back to this notion that maybe this is the case jack smith wants or wants to have the best chance of expediting, getting it moving quickly unlike the mar-a-largo case, the documents, national security issues that could delay key portions if not push it into the year after next, let alone next year. with this case, keeping it simple, keeping it focused on him, keeping it focused on his motives. keeping it focused on where he was coming from or whether he knew in his heart of hearts that the challenge of the election was not backed up by the facts. that this was an is meant to be expedited. you have a judge involved in this case who has a record