gaetz and mr.i know, have both advocated for there'd be a blanket pardon for members involved in that meeting, and a handful of other members that weren't at the december 21st meetg as the psumptive -- preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon, and he was doing so since early december. i'm not sure why mr. gaetz would reacout to me to ask if he could have a meeting with mr. meadows about receiving a presidenti pardon. >> did they all contact you? >> not all of them, but several of them did. >> so you mentioned mr. gaetz, mr. brooks. >> mr. biggs did. mr. jordan talked about congressional paons, but he never asked me for one. it was more for an update on whether the white house was going to pardon members of congress. amy: that is kathy hudgins said in her videotape deposition. before her, senior white house legal advisor eric herschmann. to see thursday's full hearing, go to democracynow.org as well as all five of the hearings in full. the public hearings of the january 6 co

gaetz, mr.now both advocated for a blanket pardon for members at that meeting and a handful of other members who are not at the december 21st meeting, as the preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon, and he was doing so since early december. i'm not sure why. mr. gaetz had reach out to me to ask if he could have a meeting with the president about receiving a pardon. >> did they reach out to you? >> not all of them but several did. >> you mention mr. gaetz, mr. brooks -- >> mr. big slip. mr. jordan talked about congressional pardons, but he never asked me for one. it was more for an update on whether the white house was going to party members of congress. mr. gohmert asked for one as well. mr. perry asked for a pardon to, i'm sorry. >> it may ask you directly? >> yes, he did. >> the representative marjorie taylor greene contact you? >> no, she did not. i heard that she asked for a pardon from mr. philbin, but i did not frequently communicate with miss greene. >> are you a

gaetz and mr. brooks -- mr. gaetz was the first to ask for a pardon. [inaudible] i'm sorry. >> the only reason i know to ask for a pardon is because you think you have committed a crime. >> the president is getting very agitated and he said, people tell me i should just get rid of both of you and change the leadership, put jeff clarke in, maybe something will finally get done. >> i thought that it was [inaudible] >> how does the president even know mr. clark? >> i said, so suppose i do the, suppose i replace him, replace with [inaudible] jeff clark. what would you do? >> i said, mr. president, i would rather resign immediately. >> rachel maddow, nicole wallace ari melber, lawrence o'donnell stephanie ruhle, all here for our special primetime recap of the fifth day of the january 6th hearings. good evening from msnbc headquarters, i'm rachel. i am joined here by my beloved colleagues lawrence o'donnell, nicole wallace, joy reid, ari melber. and if that's not enough for you, do not worry, we will have more of our colleagues joining over the course of the

scott perry, matt gaetz, mo brooks, louie gohmert and marjorie taylor greene.er from the first hearing when liz cheney talked about members of congress asking for pardons. i think all of our ears perked up and we wanted to know, okay, who are they and what do they have on them. they, carrie cordero, had the receipts yesterday. >> they brought an actual white house aide to the president who testified in her deposition which is under oath and they have it on video and showed it in the hearing yesterday that specific members and she named them gaetz, brooks, biggs, gohmert, perry and she said marjorie taylor greene had asked another white house lawyer for a pardon. what i think is remarkable about these was the scope of the pardons that some of the testimony indicated they were asking for prospective, so a pardon based on crimes that haven't even been charged that they didn't know necessarily were being investigated but it reflects what i think several of the hearings have drawn out which is that so many people knew at the time that what they were doing was probab

gaetz and mr. brooks -- mr. gaetz was the first to ask for a pardon.] i'm sorry. >> the only reason i know to ask for a pardon is because you think you have committed a crime. >> the president is getting very agitated and he said, people tell me i should just get rid of both of you and change the leadership, put jeff clarke in, maybe something will finally get done. >> i thought that it was [inaudible] >> how does the president even knowla

gaetz and mr. brooks, i know, both advocated for a blanket pardon for members involved in that meeting and a handful of other members that weren't at the december 21st meeting. as the preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon, and he was doing so since early december. i'm not sure why. reached out to me to ask if he could have a meeting with mr. meadows about receiving a presidential pardon. >> you mentioned mr. gaetz, mr. brooks. >> mr. biggs did. mr. durden talked about congressional pardons but he never asked me for one. it was more for an update on whether the white house was going to pardon members of congress. mr. gohmert asked for one as well. >> did he reach out to you directly? >> yes, he did. >> did marjorie taylor greene contact you? >> no, she didn't contact me about it. i heard that she had asked white house for a pardon from mr. philbin, but i didn't frequently communicate with ms. greene. >> are you aware of any conversations or communications regarding the po

now, this could add complications to matt gaetz. a the this point, you know, again, these members of congress are saying there is nothing to see here. as you can tell from the testimony from people inside of the white house this actually happened. >> not all of them but several of them did. >> you mentioned mr. gaetz -- >> mr. biggs did, mr. gohmert talk about it but never asked me about one. more on an update if the president is going to pardon members of the congress. mr. perry asked for a pardon, too. i am sorry. >> today, we got a clear reminder it is still going on. federal agents searching former justice official jeffrey clark's home. what do we know? >> we know it is part of of the investigation they are doing into the effort to overturn the election. and clark, it appears, was, the search occurred at his home predawn hours, he was outside in his pajamas as the federal agents went in there, retrieved whatever evidence they were looking for according to one of his office. he was, they took his electrics. again, we don't know e

gaetz and mr.nd a handful of others that were at the december 21st meeting as the preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz which personally pushing for a pardon and he was doing so since early december. i am not sure why. mr. we gaetz reached out to me to ask if he could have a meeting with mr. meadows about [inaudible] >> [inaudible] >> not all of, them but several of them dead. >> so, you mentioned mr. gaetz, mr. brooks -- >> - mr. big's did. mr. jordan talked about congressional pardons but he never asked me for one. [inaudible] members of congress. mr. gohmert asked for one as well. and mr. perry asked for one is. well i'm sorry. [inaudible] >> marjorie taylor greene contact. you >> know, she didn't contact me about it. i had heard that she had asked the white house counsel office from a pardon, from mr. philbin but i didn't frequently communicate with ms. greene. >> are you aware of any conversations or communications regarding the possibility of giving congressman matt gaetz a pardon? >> i know he had a

matt gaetz is right about one thing. it is about power. but it is about the power of the nra to throw in so much money for campaigns that the republicans just -- that's how they vote. it is no longer about what the people want. the polls all say that 88% of the country wants tighter background checks. all of these things are important. one of your callers from california spoke about israel. israel is the size of new jersey. israel has been attacked for 70 something years by some of their neighboring countries. that is a different kind of security. and i challenge anyone who does not even want to consider gun laws to look at the data in every other country -- the united kingdom, australia, new zealand, canada -- who have tighter controls. there are a minimal number of these kinds of mass shootings. how do you explain that? it's guns. the only way we are going to change this is that every person needs to get out and vote this coming november, if this issue is important enough for you, and that is all i have to say. thank you, greta. host: ma

congressman matt gaetz and jim jordan have just received a letter from perkins coy's attorneys.hat letter, perkins coy admit the fbi has maintained a "secure work environment" within perkins coy offices for more than a decade, going back to 2012. what to according to the letter "perkins coy as was possible to the fbi for maintaining a secure work in burma that work space, whatever it is, is still in operation today. ever heard of anything like this? no when we spoke to has. matt gaetz is the man who found this, a member of congress from the state of order, he joins us tonight, thanks so much for coming on. this is bizarre. tell us what it is and what you think it means. >> we got a report from a whistle-blower that we confirmed through multiple admissions, including this letter, showing that the democrat party's law, the law firm that received $42 million from the democratic party, has this colocated work space that they operate in concert with the fbi. why in the world without be the case? why would christopher wray allow it to continue? you also have to ask yourself, why withi

. >> laura: we have congressman matt gaetz.any of this have to do with furthering the mission of the department? what am i missing here? is bizarre is that in the name of inclusion, our government is embracing the policies of exclusion and it is state-sponsored racism for your money to be used by the department of labor to try to say that all of society's flaws are the fault of white men. so i believe we have to expose these things when they happen. i believe went too take the house, we have to actually use the power of their stop -- first to stop this and we need to reorient these agencies. the department of labor is going to be focused on pronouns instead of the freedom of people to actually work in our country. might even have a department of labor? >> i think that is a great question. i want to play another clip from this panel. >> for a long time, i had this trans identity and did not allow me to -- my femininity. i often walk that line of being androgynous. i have allowed myself to go completely into what i like to call m

and this was important to matt gaetz. he wouldn't let it go. >> mr.nally pushing for a pardon, and he was doing so since early december. i'm not sure why. >> stephen: i am. i'm pretty sure there's a major reason. and it involves a minor. we'll be right back with beto o'rourke. stick around! ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) hey, got you a drink. thanks! ♪ ♪ it's right around the corner. do you see that? hiiiii! that's what's so good about it! ok, you can look. i like it. ahhh! (laughter) what are you doing tomorrow? (laughter) can dove stop 98% of daily hair damage? sandra treats one lock of hair with dove. glowing areas represent hair damage. dove precisely repairs so there are almost no signs... of visible damage. dove intensive repair. number one beauty brand not tested on animals. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire a dental tool is round for a reason. so

and while gaetz hasn't denied the pardon request, he dismissed the committee as a political sideshow. republican congressman adam kinzinger ending yesterday's hearing with this statement. >> the only reason i know to ask for a pardon is because you think you've committed a crime. >> reporter: and last night the chair of the january 6th committee saying he can prove those pardon requests were made. andrew, mona. >> all right, jay, thank you. >>> investigators are looking into a collision on the tarmac at new york's jfk airport. the pilot of an air france flight reported that his plane was hit by a jet from italy's ita airways, but the air traffic controller had trouble understanding his accent and by the time the controller contacted the pilot of the italian jet, he had already taken off for rome. he said he wasn't aware of the collision and landed safely. >>> demand for the monkeypox vaccine is growing because of a rising number of cases. a long line formed in new york where vaccines were offered to gay men. some had to be turned away. the cdc is working to broaden eligibility for the

and they include scott perry, matt gaetz, mo brooks, marjorie taylor greene. more now from manu raju. >> he just told me it is your job to seize machines and you are not doing your job. >> reporter: top justice officials testifying about the lengths donald trump went to use the power of the federal government to pursue this conspiracy that the election was stolen. despite being told repeatedly there was no merit to his claims, trump demanding they declare the election corrupt and leave the rest to him and members of congress. >> were any of the allegations he brought up found credible, did you find any of them credible? >> no. >> reporter: trump's pressure campaign was relentless. >> between december 23rd and january 3rd, the president either called me or met with me virtually every day. >> reporter: all of it came to a head in a tense january 3 oval office meeting when trump threatened to replace acting attorney general jeffrey rosen with jeffrey clark, a doj official who was willing to act on trump's plan. >> i do recall saying to people that somebody should

matt gaetz saying this is a political sideshow.apidly losing the interest of the american people and now resorts to sicking law enforcement on political appointments -- political opponents. scott perry said at no time did i speak with ms. hutchinson or any other white house staff about a pardon for myself. this never happened. another statement saying i requested pardons for brave military contractors who were railroaded by the justice system, saying i have nothing for which to seek a pardon in my request were for others unassociated with government and washington, d.c. any assertion to the contrary is false. andy biggs saying, like the many selective leaks from this illegally formed committee, today's video testimony was deceptively edited to make it appear as if i personally asked her for a presidential pardon. these hearings without cross-examination or advanced disclosure of evidence have become a soviet style show trial. the truth is less important than the outcome. back to your phone because. patricia, upper marlboro, marylan

matt gaetz for example asking for a pardon even before january 6th. why? >> right. well, why?y were the ones involved in the lawsuits, the ken paxson lawsuit to the supreme court, decertifying the election results in arizona and pennsylvania. it's worth noting the only republican congressman who has come forward to confirm it is mo brooks. he's confirmed it, defended it. he said he did that because he was concerned in his words of the socialist democrats coming after him. and he said, though, in that email that was shown by the committee yesterday that he then released a longer version of that matt gaetz also wanted a pardon. matt gaetz has not denied it, hasn't confirmed it, but he's calling the committee a side show, as we have heard him say repeatedly. and then scott perry. scott perry continues to deny this, the pennsylvania congressman. he denies he has ever asked for a pardon, but we saw the video of cassidy hutchinson, the aide to former chief of staff mark meadows under oath saying scott perry asked her directly for a pardon. and then louie gohmert, also another name m

. >> and was representative gaetz representing a pardon? >> believe so. the general tone was, we may get prosecuted because we were defensive of, you know, the president's positions on these things. a pardon that he was discussing, requesting, was as broad as you could describe, from the beginning, i remember from the beginning of time up until today, for any and all things. he mentioned nixon, i said nixon's pardon was never nearly that broad. >> and so let's get right to january karl live on the hill again tonight. and jon, as all of this was playing out today, we learned in the last 24 hours of another major development here, the justice department, of course, we know, has been conducts its own very quiet investigation of what led to january 6th. and this doj lawyer, an environmental lawyer, i should say, that the former president wanted to make acting attorney general in the 11th hour, now federal agents at jeffrey clark's home overnight? >> reporter: they raised his home on wednesday, david. this is a clear sign that the justice department investigat

gaetz, mr. brooks. >> mr. biggs did. mr. gohmert asked for one as well. mr. perry asked for a pardon, too. >> pardons are for criminals. as promised we continue our special coverage here. we are join bid paul butler, a former top doj official neal katyal, our friend and colleague nicole wallace, also a white house veteran and an anchor here at msnbc, and a former smart and former prosecutor, claire mccaskill. those are just come of the titles. given the highlights, dealer's choice, what stood out at today's hearing? >> these hears are historic and consequential, but also riveting tv and superb lawyering. i think they should change the name from the january 6th hearings to the donald trump hearings. because each of the five has been laser focused on the former president and what the panel clearly believes is his criminality. so, today was supposedly about trump's efforts to corrupt the justice department, but even that, i think, is understated. what we learned today is in prosecutorial detail, an effort by the former president to weaponize the justice departme

gaetz and mr.w both advocated for there to be a blanket pardon for members involved in that meeting and handful of other members that weren't at the december 21st meeting, as the preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon and he was doing so since early december. i'm not sure why. mr. geas had reached out to me to ask if he could have a meeting with mr. meadows about receiving a presidential pardon. >> did they all contact you? >> not all of them, but several of them did. >> so you mentioned mr. gaetz, mr. brooks. >> mr. biggs did. mr. duran talked about congressional pardons, but he never asked me for one. it was more for an update on whether the white house was going to pardon members of congress. mr. gohmert asked were one as well. mr. perry asked for a pardon, too, i'm sorry. >> mr. perry. did he reach out to you directly? >> yes, he did. >> did marjorie taylor greene ever contact you? >> no, she didn't contact me about it, i had heard she had asked white house counsel fo

gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon. and he was doing so since early december. >> you mentioned mr. gaetz and mr. books -- >> mr. bags did, mr. ask for one as well. >> [inaudible] asked for a pardon to. >> congress -- tonight, millbrook said, he did talk to trump about them. he's also open to testify before the committee. but he insists on doing it in public. with that, let's get smarter, with the help of our lead off panel, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times. he has the cover story tomorrow. and he was in the room today. also joining, us former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg and frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence. mr. rosenberg, i have to go to you first. we learned today -- for anybody who says january 6th is a thing of the past, today we learned that the former president was one decision away from appointing a guy to be the attorney general who would have sent our elections in the chaos. what we have

i will stay right behind these black gaetz. >> potential recordings. find it on the c-span now mobile apps or wherever you get your podcasts. >> i am honored and privileged to be here this morning with former secretary of defense mark esper. i might also say former secretary of the army mark esper, colonel, retired united states army mark esper, served in uniform on active duty, served in the army national guard, served in the army reserve, one of the few people i know that served in all three components of the united states army for distant was 20 when your career. doctor mark esper, phd, vice president mark esper, one of the largest aerospace companies we have in our defense industrial base, professional staff member on the senate foreign relations committee, set policy on the house armed services committee, national security adviser to one of the most established senators, brent thompson, a very very career, you brought extensive background to your role as secretary of defense and we are here today to discuss your book which is entitled "a sacred oa

i will stay right behind these black gaetz. >> president recordings, find them on the c-span now mobile apps or wherever you get your podcasts. >> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell briefed reporters on the bipartisan gun violence legislation being worked on in the senate. he said he supports the framework, and if the wording little reflect what the framework indicates he will support the measure. leader mcconnell talked about the january 6th committee hearings, gas and energy prices and inflation. >> good afternoon, everyone. senator cornyn who asked to be the point person on our side to see if we could come to an outcome after these horrible school shootings, and his teammates indicated as you have reported are coming together behind a framework which hopefully can be turned into legislative language and past. for myself i am comfortable with the framework and if the legislation ends up reflecting what the framework indicates, i will be supportive. >> washington democrats have been wrong about inflation from the very beginning. notwithstanding our efforts to try to convince them t

congressman matt gaetz is a member of the judiciary committee and he joins me now.ng on here? >> call me old fashioned but i thought the heaviest artillery and irs agent would need would be a calculator. i imagine the irs in green eye shades and cubicles not busting doors down and emptying glock clips on our fellow americans. certainly it's troubling that in 2022 alone. the irs has spent around $725,000 on ammunition so. here's the biden plan, disarm americans, open the border, empty the prisons but rest assured they will still collect your taxes. and they need $725,000 worth of ammunition apparently to get the job done. >> jesse: i'm sure they have a couple agents that are armed that kick down the doors of white collar criminals once in a while, right? those aren't the guys that are going to go out in a blaze of gunfire, right? these guys probably have lawyers. they will probably, you know, arrange something where they can walk in and get booked and leave. >> tax cheat isn't usually a term we hear alongside armed and dangerous. and there was a report that showed ov

gaetz and mr. brooks, and a handful of members that weren't at the december 21st meeting asked for preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz did. >> reporter: at times surfing a. hutchinson's accuracy proving critical. >> you hear those at the white house saying the plan to have alternate electors meet and cast votes for donald trump in states he had lost was not legally sound? >> yes, sir. >> and who was present for that meeting, that you remember? >> it was in our offices, mr. meadows, mr. giuliani, and mr. giuliani's associates. >> well hello, deplorable! >> reporter: meadows who refuses to be interviewed with the house select committee provides pages of testimony showing him at the lead of the 2020 and playing a lead role in attempting to stop biden's certification on january 6. events and conversations hutchinson had a front row seat to. >> who do you remember being involved in the early discussions around the thanksgiving time, regarding having alternate electors meet? >> mr. giuliani. several of mr. giu

gaetz and mr. brooks, i know, both advocated for there to be a blanket pardon for members involved in that meeting and a handful of members that weren't at the december 21st meeting as the preemptive pardons. mr. gaetz did, mr. gohmert asked for one as well. mr. perry asked for a pardon too. >> hutchinson worked closely with meadows in the white house, sitting in on meetings and at times serving as a liaison between the former president's right hand and those seeking to reach him. representatives biggs and perry denied seeking pardons. hutchinson's unique access proving critical. >> did you hear the white house counsel's office say that this plan to have alternate electors meet and cast votes for donald trump in states he lost was not legally sound? >> yes, sir. >> and who was present for that meeting that you remember? >> mr. -- it was in our offices, mr. meadows, mr. giuliani and a few of mr. giuliani's associates. >> well, hello, deplorables! >> reporter: meadows who refuses to be interviewed by

gaetz. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida is recognized for two minutes. mr. gaetz: if house democrats were so worried about violence, they wouldn't open the borders, open the prisons, and then disarm law-abiding americans who want to protect themselves and their families. chairman nadler says republicans don't -- shouldn't lecture about constitutional rights, but it was the last democrat speaker, mr. cicilline, who in the house judiciary committee said, spare me the bullshit about people's constitutional rights. so pardus for standing up for the constitution and the very due process that ensures that we're able to have a civil functioning society in this country. speaker pelosi asks the question -- well, if you knew when the next act of violence would be, why wouldn't you want to stop it? what is this, the united states congress or the plot for the movie "minority report"? the best you could ever hope to have in terms of warning is what we had in the parkland case where a neighbor saw nicholas cruz prepare for a school shooting, called the f.b.i. and because

, mind you at the same time gaetz is also facing other criminal potential criminal challenges with regards to his communications with underage women. and this was not well received very clearly by eric hershman who has become a recurring role in these hearings as a brash talking expletive laced former white house official when you boil it down to the simplest terms found all of the proposals to be insane, that is the language that he used. >> wow. >> but yesterday night, after votes, we caught up with a bunch of the gop lawmakers who mostly remain silent about their request for pardons. but also marjorie taylor greene who was one of the names that cassidy hutchinson who had heard who had asked for a pardon said that people who are unfairly prosecuted ask for pardons just look at julian assange. >> reaching there. barbara, let me ask you about this quote that so many people have zeroed in on from the hearing yesterday came from richard donoghue, the former acting assist attorney general who said this of donald trump, quoting him, had notes that he took during a phone call with the former pr

, we heard from marjorie taylor greene, slammed the committee on these hearings all together, matt gaetz, calling them a quote witch hunt, we heard from biggs and perry who are still denying that they requested these pardons. one interesting nugget that came out of this reaction was from congressman mo brooks, who issued a statement, after the hearing, saying he would actually be willing to voluntarily sit down and speak with the committee if a few conditions are met, like meeting in public, and having only members of congress ask him questions, and of course, we know mo brooks was subpoenaed by the committee, and he wasn't willing to comply with those subpoenas. so we're still trying to figure out what really changed his mind. and whether the committee will take him up on his offer and sit down with him. so that is definitely something we're looking out from from committee members on the hill today. >> i think we know what changed his mind. he lost trump's endorsement. and lost the election. anyway, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >>> still ahead, yesterday's hearing wasn't

matt gaetz released a tweet earlier earlier just before i came on, not denying it but of course trashing committee as he has done all along. this is interesting to see more of what the committee has in terms of republican congressmen allies of terrorism asking for pardons. >> thank very, very much. i want to dig deeper right now with correspondents and analysts, jeffrey tube been, let me start you. how disturbing was that message we learned today? then-president trump sent this message to the justice department, to all these officials, "just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me." >> and the republicans in -- in the -- in the house. you know, the -- the intensity and duration of the president's efforts to use the justice department with no evidence of actual fraud to stop the counting of votes and overturn the election in advance of january 6th -- it was simply astonishing. and was the most direct evidence we have had of possible criminality by the president. and it wasn't even, in my opinion, the biggest news of the day, which was that the justice department which many p

and joining me now isma the mentioned florida congressman matt gaetz who got his hands on this video. congressman, now what does any of this have to do with furthering the mission of the department? >>sing what am i missing here ? well, what's bizarre is that in the name of inclusion, our government ission embracing the policies of exclusion and it's really state sponsored racism for your money to be used by the department of labor to try to say that all of society's flaws are the faultso of white men. so i believe we have to expose t these things when they happen. i believe when we retake the house we havey to actually use the power of the purse to stop this . and then when we retake the white house, we have to reorient these agencies where they actually work for people'sh freedoms. i mean, the department of labor is goingnt to oto be focused on pronouns instead of the freedom of people toor actually work in our country. >> why even have a department of labor? i think that'ss a greatis questn and that's that's what we should do is get rid of the whole department. now i want to play a

congressman matt gaetz's office -- congressman scott perry tweeted a short time ago that he stands byial of seeking pardons for himself or others. if someone pleads the fifth in court under oath, it's not necessarily an indication they've done something wrong, but when someone, in this case several members of congress allegedly contact to an aide to the white house chief of staff seeking pardons, that certainly is an indication they at least have something they're concerned about. >> if you're asking then-candidate trump, pleading the fifth is enough to actually confirm your guilt. so the idea we're talking about it is at this point in time is different. it's a red flag for an investigator to figure out why it is you're doing so 147 times. that's more than a red flag. but the idea of actually saying and suggesting that you're not going to answer questions. you have the corroboration of other people saying, here's what this person is doing and what they've done. and they've been so bold and audacious in trying to go an end round around the acting attorney general. you heard from jeffre

. >> was representative gaetz requesting a pardon? >> i believe so. a pardon that he was discussing, requesting, was as broad as you could describe. >> mr. biggs did, mr. jordan talked about congressional pardons but he never asked me for one. mr. gohmert asked for one as well. mr. perry asked for a pardon, too. >> did marjory taylor green contact you? >> no, she didn't contact me about t i heard that she had asked white house office counsel for a pardon. >> so what were the roles of the pardon seekers in january 6? let's bring in tom foreman to walk us through that. tom? >> if you look at all sifolks wt now they have all forwarded some version of either this didn't happen or i wasn't asking for myself or you don't under the circumstances. let's look at who has been talked about here. mo brooks from alabama. he spoke at the stop the steal rally on january 6, remember that big quote start taking down names and kicking ass is what he told the crowd. said this week that he's willing to testify but only if it's in public and trump rescinded his endorsemen

you want madison in your bedroom, matt gaetz? your bedroom and doctor's office? madison cawthorn and gaetz? got to be a sustained movement of americans expanding rights. same-sex marriage? you got a gay kid that's married? they're coming after your kid next. everybody needs to be aware of that. >> reporter: you're chairman of a committee overseeing the capitol police. do they have security any hand? >> feel pretty good. a great police presence in and out of uniform. police dogs. we should be in good shape. >> reporter: thanks congressman. back to you, garrett. >> ken dilanian with looking to flip a red senate seat in ohio. tim ryan, and ken, thank you both. >>> and congresswoman sarah jacobs outside the supreme court. congresswoman, democrat of california. congresswoman jacobs if you're with us now, i just want to ask you, sort of your personal reaction to hearing about this today? i know the minute this decision came down i heard from some of the women in my life who were shocked and who were horrified. and people who knew this was coming. right? all been follow

gaetz articulated, and then their rights are gone. the one that was stuck in >> it is the kind of thing that can renew itself. it can renew indefinitely. in masquerades as a temporary one which should not be done in any event. i am waiting to see what the arguments are of those who advocate for this, but i think it is almost impossible to justify and our law to the state recognizes this. that is why it appears as it does. that people are entitled to due process. i yield to the gentleman from florida. >> in many cases the red flag would not be the most effective means of dealing with somebody who is intent on committing one of these terrible atrocities. at parkland, you had a neighbor witnessed the shooter practice in the background. the neighbor called the fbi and told them. you had probable cause to engage in law enforcement activity to stop violence. instead of fixing that, we are instead trying to go into this ticket for tap -- tit for tat. i think you are looking at something here that is a high likelihood of depriving rights, ver

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gaetz: we have heard the plan from democrats. this is not a modest trimming around the edge of gun laws. it's a full-throated assault on the second amendment, a desire to deprive people of the weapons they choose at the age they achieve majority. we've heard countless executives of where the good guy with the gun has been the difference between more or less blood shed. this is particularly and agrieved time to bring this legislation forward because we heard the speaker of the house recently say members of the republican party were members of a cult. so you now have house democrats demeaning, defaming, calling extremists, tens of millions of americans while they try to disarm you and then subsequently defund the police. so no good guys are coming when the woke mob ends up at your door. that's their plan for america and gun control, unrestrained gun control is a key part of it. just like they said, they'll pack the court, they'll blow up the filibuster, they'll abuse every more of this place for the opportunity to take down the sec

gaetz articulated, and then their rights are gone. the one that was stuck in >> it is the kind of thing that can renew itself. it can renew indefinitely. in masquerades as a temporary one which should not be done in any event. i am waiting to see what the arguments are of those who advocate for this, but i think it is almost impossible to justify and our law to the state recognizes this. that is why it appears as it does. that people are entitled to due process. i yield to the gentleman from florida. >> in many cases the red flag would not be the most effective means of dealing with somebody who is intent on committing one of these terrible atrocities. at parkland, you had a neighbor witnessed the shooter practice in the background. the neighbor called the fbi and told them. you had probable cause to engage in law enforcement activity to stop violence. instead of fixing that, we are instead trying to go into this ticket for tap -- tit for tat. i think you are looking at something here that is a high likelihood of depriving rights, ver

gaetz. mr. gaetz: speaker pelosi said she is on a crews aid for the children but the crews aids did not end well when they were driven by emotion and riddled with poor planning. this is no crusade for the children. if it were, you wouldn't leave our children as sitting ducks. speaker says we need action. we are for action. how about the action of my bill to create a national stand your ground law or richard hudson's bill or any number of proposals republicans have offered to unlock the safe and secure environment when we have our military veterans and members of law enforcement to carry a firearm responsibly in school to respond to these acts of violence. their version of action is more gun control, raising the age to buy certain firearms. on november 25, 2021, a man with a cruised lunatic assaulted a woman with a knife. he wrapped his liefl and killed. in 2017, a gunman opened fire and a citizen grabbed his a.r.-15. in 2019, broken arrow, oklahoma, a 19-year-old killed three would-be burglars.

gaetz, i inform the house that mr. gaetz will vote yea on s 62 -- 6270, and as the member designated by mr. gosar, i inform the house that mr. gosar will vote no on 6270. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from rhode island seek recognition? mr. langevin: mr. speaker, as the member designated by mr. lynch of massachusetts, -- mr. speaker, as the member designated by mr. lynch of massachusetts, i inform the house that mr. lynch will vote aye on h.r. 6270. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from utah seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, as the member designated by mr. curtis from utah, i inform the house that mr. curtis will vote yea on h.r. 6270. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlelady from delaware seek recognition? ms. blunt rochester: as the member designated by members rush, lamb, bass and brown, i inform the house that these members will vote yes on h.r. 6270. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognitio

wondered if you heard yesterday the -- what we read -- what representative another head to atlanta matt gaetz. host: do you have a question? caller: he is an ultrabright commercial. host: that is funny. if you have a question -- i will go to lupe in california, independent line. caller: i have it, and a question. this is for the republicans, democrats, independents. much before trump ran for president -- months before trump ran for president, at one point, he was being interviewed and said, what did you get at it your uncle -- what did he teach you to do to be important and their way with things? he said, just say it long enough until they believe it, even if it is a lie. they will believe it. that is what happened here. for those who have ears and eyes, you can see what happened. that is all i can say. guest: she is right in that donald trump has demonstrated time and again that he does not feel compelled to be bound by the truth. the washington post, fact checking:, when donald trump left office in 21, they said that they had chronicled over 30,000 false statements from donald trump just du

gaetz: we have heard the plan from democrats. this is not a modest trimming around the edge of gun laws. it's a full-throated assault on the second amendment, a desire to deprive people of the weapons they choose at the age they achieve majority. we've heard countless executives of where the good guy with the gun has been the difference between more or less blood shed. this is particularly and agrieved time to bring this legislation forward because we heard the speaker of the house recently say members of the republican party were members of a cult. so you now have house democrats demeaning, defaming, calling extremists, tens of millions of americans while they try to disarm you and then subsequently defund the police. so no good guys are coming when the woke mob ends up at your door. that's their plan for america and gun control, unrestrained gun control is a key part of it. just like they said, they'll pack the court, they'll blow up the filibuster, they'll abuse every more of this place for the opportunity to take down the sec

host: that statement from matt gaetz garnered a response from a democratic congressman. here's what he >> had to say. this is a radical position being authored by our friends on the others the aisle. they claim we should support ensuring people who are in imminent danger to themselves and others, that might commit mass murder, have a constitutional right to access a firearm and to deny them that right would trample on an individual's due process and second amendment rights. you know who did not have due process? you know who did not have their constitutional life to write respected? the kids at parkland and sandy hook and the list goes on. spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights. i will not yield, to do not ask again. these risk protections ensure that people who are a grave danger to themselves or others do not have access to a firearm. this is an idea that the former republican president said, we must make sure that those judged to pose a great risk to public safety do not have access to firearms. if they do so, this firearms can be taken through due process.

host: that statement from matt gaetz garnered a response from a democratic congressman. here's what he >> had to say. this is a radical position being authored by our friends on the others the aisle. they claim we should support ensuring people who are in imminent danger to themselves and others, that might commit mass murder, have a constitutional right to access a firearm and to deny them that right would trample on an individual's due process and second amendment rights. you know who did not have due process? you know who did not have their constitutional life to write respected? the kids at parkland and sandy hook and the list goes on. spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights. i will not yield, to do not ask again. these risk protections ensure that people who are a grave danger to themselves or others do not have access to a firearm. this is an idea that the former republican president said, we must make sure that those judged to pose a great risk to public safety do not have access to firearms. if they do so, this firearms can be taken through due process.

. >> i am going to ask of the congressman matt gaetz of florida this question, what is more irresponsible for the next chance for congress to be reacted to yet another mass shooting, or be proactive and try to prevent them in the first place? we may not have all the answers from uvalde but i just told you the number of mass shootings occurred this year alone. led alone the past decade and vice president spoke to the families of sandy hook. that statement for me is reminiscing from from what we heard from chief arredondo last night, saying the answer will come whso families can quit grieving. that does not exclude us to explore failures of congress to reach uncommon ground on important issues. families all across the country des deserve answers as to why it feels like our leaders are failing time and time again to find common ground to stop these mass s massacres. among other things would raise the purchase age of assault weapon from 18 to 21. now to move onto the full house for a full vote. the measure is not expected to pass the senate. the uvalde killer was able to buy two assault rifle

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host: that is matt gaetz, the red flag law he is proposing is one that is likely to come to the floor in the house in the coming weeks protecting our children act which is what the house was marking up yesterday is on the agenda as well as the risk protection order act. it would encourage states to take up their own risk protection laws. and the active shooter alert act. nancy pelosi announcing that she will put gun legislation on the floor next week. let me go back to the constitution committee and show you the reaction from david cicilline. >> this is a radical position from our friends on the others of the aisle. they claim that we should support that people who are in imminent danger of themselves or their others, that they have a constitutional right to access a firearm and to deny them that right would trample on their due process. do you know who did not have their right to life respected? the kids at parkland and uva lde? so spare me the bull--. they ensure that people who are a grave danger to themselves and others don't have access to firearms. the former republican presiden