and tyler gaffney opening some eyes this evening. played the first half against the saints. 11 of 18 for 168 yards. no touchdowns. almost got one here with james white doing most of the work. getting dragged down after 56 yards at the 1. and the pate twrots score on the next play. here is the former stanford star, tyler gaffney two years in a row suffered season ending injuries in training camp. finally gets a chance of a 44-yard touchdown run. the pats win. >>> the broncos taking on the bears. who is going to replace peyton manning at quarterback? mark sanchez, fourth quarter, 32--yard strike to demaryius thomas. sanchez was 10 of 13, 99 yards. a td as well as a pick. the broncos blanked the bears 22-0. >>> the carolina panner ins in baltimore against the ravens. and a good time to review the rules here. carolina's aj klein picks off ry m

and tyler gaffney opening some eyes this evening.layed the first half against the saints. 11 of 18 for 168 yards. no touchdowns. almost got one here with james white doing most of the work. getting dragged down after 56 yards at the 1. and the pate twrots score on the next play. here is the former stanford star, tyler gaffney two years in a row suffered season ending injuries in training camp. finally gets a chance of a 44-yard touchdown run. the pats win. >>> the broncos taking on the bears. who is going to replace peyton manning at quarterback? mark sanchez, fourth quarter, 32--yard strike to demaryius thomas. sanchez was 10 of 13, 99 yards. a td as well as a pick. the broncos blanked the bears 22-0. >>> the carolina panner ins in baltimore against the ravens. and a good time to review the rules here. carolina's aj klein picks off ryan mallett, goes 95 yards but it was called back because cam newton, carolina's quarterback ran on the field to celebrate. on the field, no touchdown. ravens went on to win 22-19. to laugh about it now

they didn't say this is in police work manhole and look with the lipase ensemble incredibly gaffney she they are willing to crawl down and that nasty hole.c all lives matter. she says daphne is to blame they didn't. and two decades another chance to even longer. it's almost server just a few days away from the start of the halting got together yesterday getting ready for the big premierereht t known cover skier bob better than we do you did your job that's right.' that's my town.s your full forecast is max. the very latest on the 6.2 earthquake is next. while it's one of the most expensive cars ever good morning, scott. >> here's some rain glassful pocketn of rain moving out of ashtabula county they were painted sunshine high humidity another front which means more storms will keep it clearigh through alleys the new our try to track down a look at the time he and a look at the weekend either way. brown. you play any of four out any worried too much information things for playing onwo we did have some storms yesterday tornetta) northwestern ohio still veryto mergers not lower 70s here's

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and stanford man tyler gaffney opened some eyes.tart with garoppolo, who played the first half against the saints. 11 of 18, 168 yards, no touchdowns. nearly got one here as he got the ball out to james white, who did most of the work. 56 yards. they drag him down at the 1 and the patriots would score on the next play. the former stanford tailback tyler gaffney, two years in a row suffered season-ending injuries in training camp, finally getting his chance. nine carries, 64 yards. and this is a 44-yard touchdown. so nice to see that. patriots win 34-22. >>> the defending super bowl champion denver broncos taking on the chicago bears. who's going to replace peyton manning? mark sanchez? he's got the upper hand and in the first quarter throws to a wide open demariyus thomas. sanchez 10 of 13, 99 yards, a touchdown and a pick. broncos blanked the bears 22-0. >>> the nfc champion carolina panthers opening the preseason in baltimore against the ravens. good thing this doesn't count because it's an opportunity to review the rules. this is

that is less than of gaffney. >> i'm really surprised by the way you read the district court's opinion. and based on that stander that they applied. >> it is on page 63 a running over into 64a. and in the final paragraph it begins the bottom of the page, for decision purposes the majority the panel made up of judge christopher and judges over the have concluded that plaintiffs have not demonstrated partisanship predominantly over legitimate redistricting consideration. doesn't that mean that they found that there were some illegitimate considerations? and they assumed that partisanship was not a legitimate consideration. >> on page 79 a which which is where you are reading from earlier it's clear that the partisanship played a role only to the -- if this court allows plaintiffs to come in and just point to deviations. >> just to clarify your answer you think that what you said in footnote ten only applies one district? >> yes i have not heard the other side disagreeing with that. if this makes it too easy for plaintiffs to come in a point to deviations and partisan correlations than is

tight ends and only four patriots running backs on the field, james white, lagarrette blount, tyler gaffney and joey iosefa. it also brings to light the added importance of the newest tight >> he is talented, blocks well, runs well. he has skills. >> martellus bennett caught 208 passes, 14 of them in the end zone, in three seasons with the bears. now he's lining up against them. bennett had three catches in the first preseason game against the saints and he'll be called upon as the second tight end his role even more critical when 87 is not on the field. one more day against the bears -- >> he is a good player. we are just trying to come together as a unit right now at peace together one day after another. >> one more day against the bears before preseason game two in the stadium on thursday night. josh brent center five. mike: nate ebner is back from rio. he has his hat on, expected to be in full pads and participating later this week. sox open a two-game series in baltimore tonight. it was announced blake swihart announcement? he has been out since june 4 and is expected to make a full re

gaffney gets the call and blount and white with jimmy starting the first four ga huge. and what is the effect who is back helping out the pass offensive line. -- pats offensive line can hethey keep the quarterback up right and make holes for running game. all three are connected and you know the wild card i don't have to tell you danielle niles did. it's 175 degrees out here. we have lights on and a jack. players will have between 8 to 10 pound how heat? that is miami game going on in august. right here at foxborough. will they be able cramp upwill hydrated. that's the case because there's 90 players and some of the first stringers will not play. will you be able-- it's of attrition but fids the -- it's the first preseason game in foxborough and let's get ready even though it's jimmy time tom is not playing it's the first preseason game. now back to you. >> i love your attitude. see you in a bit. coverage of the patriots just gein wbz. we will have patriots game day at 7, and pats and saints at 7:30. dan roach and christian have the call followed by the 5th quarter post

. >> anchor: of all the story interesting would be that of tyler gaffney. a kid that tried pro baseball but returned back to football. >>> i am real excited. this is what have you been waiting for as a high school athlete, college athlete but it all together. >>> he was drafted in the nfl but has yet to appear after back to back season ending injuries. >>> it sucks, man. you come out here, you work, you feel just as hard as everyone else to have an injury take that away from you. it feels good and to be in this game again. to be around teammates. in foxboro, trey daerr, 7 sports. >> anchor: red sox unpacking and resting up civiling home after an 11 game west coast road trip finishing with that record of 5 and . they rebound from a june swoon but august is not getting off to the kind of start they will need to keep pace in this pennest chase. through 7 games in august the sox offense ranks near the bottom of the league in average wasting some good pitching here. there are 2.80 era, sixth best this baseball. down to rio team u.s.a. in the drivers seat leading

p meanwhile, howard gaffney the last couple of years within areas are bust this baby also and outunares everybody. they wi your evaluation. >> get out in on the field. compete in a game. he i thought we did some things the way we tried to want to do them. some other things, we obviously need to work on. but that is part of the process. good teams. they are competitive in all areas. >> now they are in next thursday night. all right. to the red sox. this is deserving. ranks can took two or three. era over 16 and 4 in this the final tonight. alex ared reguess said he wanted to go in side of the left field wall. he has never been in there. he sent them to the dars tonight. a z are the game itself. big papi on second base. he gets waved around and so much for the nearly broken shin last night, huh? how that is this good for him. like it. all right. all right. seven innings. 93 pitches. three hitter gi and trouble here. not the bullpen's fault. after the game, i just lost it. i started coming off the bt and just lost it when i turned. two reasons come in. yankees lead 3-2. a reasonable doubt'

blount looks good the game last week i think he had 68 yards and 6.58 carry and he built off that gaffney is running hard they are good sign moving forward because they will need to run the ball week one. >> and on the positive side of the ball defense. defensive backs stepped up big. >> they did. and logan ryan great to get him out there without the red shirt but he played the ball nicely. i thought cam new ton was horrendous. not that he will regress and have a bad year but he looked indecisive. >> he is throwing off the backfoot. >> 6-5, 270 pound not coming over the top and everything. >> side m too. >> that's coaching. >> that's coaching. >> and that's getting into it and being aware of your mechanics. >> speaking of coaching. >> he works for him sometimes you see him get out. >> but you get sloppy. >> you could develop bad habits. >> do we have to be concerned. i don't know why i am bringing this up but the fact that steven is missing kicks lately? >> no there were a couple high snaps i think the first one has high and ryan got the ball down other one and i think he missed one and t

gaffney and learn the role railroads played. >> the connection of shipping containers, moving over from china, and elsewhere, you know, railroads are very much a part of that route. so, when you go to long beach, california, where there's large shipping facilities the railroads are right there. and they're the ones that help get it. >> and then mike, former executive editor for the herald talks about the rich history, to the economy and the current state of the economy. >> in the 1990s, not just in the statewide but also locally. we have done well. i think, things collapsed in 2000. if you go by household income michigan is one of the 15 wealthiest states by 2008, we're one of the 15 poorest states. >> we'll visit the train depot where he had today son worked. he printed a newspaper on a moving train. he had access to the latest news, through the telegraph agents, and, you know, get this that news hot off the presses. >> we'll then tour the lighthouse, the first lighthouse in the state of michigan. watch c-span's city's tour, saturday, on book t.v. and sunday afternoon, on c-span 3. the

the entire olympic ideal is to have bigger, higher, faster, stronger profits" professor christopher gaffney has studied the impact of the olympics on host cities. he says most games make millions for the international committee but leave their hosts billions of dollars in debt with empty and rotting olympic venues.in the past decade the olympics have cost an average of 8.9 billion dollars with an average cost overrun of 156 percent. but la's mayor says bringing the games back to the heart of hollywood is not only a win for la but the entire country. it will be some time before we know who'll host the 2024 olympics the committee will ben tracy, cbs news, rio de janeiro. 3 coming up --- some new details emerge in the investigation into a deadly officer involved shooting that led to violence in milwaukee... 3 and some local fire departments are worried they won't have enough people to protect their communites...a live report on the shortage of volunteer firefighters ahead. 3 plus...the emergency repairs on the basilica of st. josaphat are moving along...we'll update you on the process...coming

gaffney and learn the role railroads played. >> the connection of shipping containers, moving over from china, and elsewhere, you know, railroads are very much a part of that route. so, when you go to long beach, california, where there's large shipping facilities the railroads are right there. and they're the ones that help get it. >> and then mike, former executive editor for the herald talks about the rich history, to the economy and the current state of the economy. >> in the 1990s, not just in the statewide but also locally. we have done well. i think, things collapsed in 2000. if

. >> reporter: the professor gaffney has researched the impact on the host city. he said it would leave billions of debt. want to see the olympics back on american soil? >> absolutely not. the olympic model is dead. >> reporter: in the past decade, the olympics have just $8.9 billion. but l.a.'s mayor says bringing the games back to the heart of hollywood is not only a win for l.a., but the entire country. this is a movement that needs america. but i think america needs the olympics, too. for this tuesday. for some of you the news continues. for others, c >>> back to school in the zika zones. lesson one. protection. >> i don't take them anywhere, where we are going to be outside an extended period of time. >> also tonight. campaign 2016. donald trump on immigration. >> no i am not >> revelations of more hillary clinton e-mails. >> wildfires, firefighters battle them. scientists try to understand them. >> it doesn't require flame to ignite. >> no, just hot air. >> there are 8 million stories in new york city. anthony mason found one in this bookstore. >> a lot of p

. >> professional christopher gaffney studied olympics on host cities and says most games makes millions for the international olympic committee and leave hosts billions in debt with empty and rotting olympic cost an average of $8.9 billion with average cost overrun of 156%. l.a.'s mayor says bringing the games back to the heart of hollywood is not only a whip for l.a. but the entire country. it will be sometime before we know who will host the 2024 olympics. the international olympic committee will make the announcement next september in lima, peru. >> reporter: ben tracy cbs news rio de janeiro. >> romona: so much involved. >>> straight ahead. remember ha resume? folks are going wild over the gorilla. >>> how to trim your waist line and gym time at the same time. can't wait to hear that. we will have the health alert. >> mark: there's a look at the city on 77. looks like everyone is moving fine. lots of sunshine. >> first alert traffic on cleveland 19 news is sponsored >>> live from cleveland toyota in kent this is cleveland 19 news. >> romona: pills seized inside prince's paisley park

. >> visiting the stiff port huron, to learn more, next we speak with author tj gaffney who shares the history through his book, port huron, 1880-19690. >> we are standing in front of the last. >> it was constructed, during the world of 1812 at the time canada was part of the enemy, under british control. this structure was built in 1829 along with several other structures of similar design to replace the original stock indicated style buildings. the postcard was one of the quickest ways to send small snippets of information, back-and-forth. the idea there was, to keep things in a tight format and a greeting to let people know that you had arrived and to remember. the name of my book is port huron, on postcards, i wrote it as a project my father wanted to do it my dad collected post carts of st. claire county, and this region for about 40 years. he passed away and i helped finish it for him. i chose the dates because the time-frame of the biggest occupation of the port huron area fits within that time-frame. it was a period of largest growth. from a photographfy perspective. it is a fa

we'll talk with tj gaffney and learned the role of railroads play. >> the movement, particularly particularly shipping containers moving over from places like china, indonesia and elsewhere. railroads are very much a part of that route. so when you go to long beach california where there are large shipping facilities, the railroads are right there alongside the container ships and they are the ones that help get it to the next row. >> my, former executive artery, list talks about the rich history and its importance to michigan's economy of the state of economy of the city. >> in the 1990s is a thriving economy not just statewide but locally we have done belief pretty well. things about the year 2000 and into thousand come if you go by household income michigan is one of the 15 wealthiest states. by 2008 were one of the 15 poor states. >> on american history tv will visit the train depot word thomas edison worked as a young boy and make a stop at the thomas edison depot museum. also see the museum's manager, david days are. >> we have. >> we every creation of the chemical laboratory and printi

we will talk with author tj gaffney and linda role railroads played. >> the container movement, particularly connection of shipping containers moving over from places like china and indonesia and elsewhere. railroads are very much a part of that route. when you go to long beach, california, there are large shipping facilities. the railroads are right alongside the container ships. they are the one that helps get it to the next route. >> mike connell, former executive director for the port huron times herald talks about the history of port huron, its importance to michigan's economy, and the current state of the economy on the city. >> in the 1990's, there was a thriving economy. not just state what but locally. we have done pretty well. that last until the year 2000. in 2000, if you go by household median income, michigan is one of the 15th wealthiest states. by 2008, where one of the 15th poorest states. >> on american history tv we will visit the train depot that thomas edison work that during a boy and stop at the thomas edison depot museum. we will speak to the museum manager. >> we have

who are opposed to radical islam, people like pamela geller, frank gaffney, liz cheney, and cliff may. may will be here in just a few moments. finally, george soros has donated $13 million to the democrats this election cycle that includes 7 million to a hillary clinton super pac. 12 years ago here is what mrs. clinton said about george soros. >> we have been given appear extraordinary blessing. and at this moment in time, our country needs us and we need people like george soros who is fearless and willing to step up when it counts. >> now, to be fair, that sound bite is dated but the clinton campaign is accepting money from soros this year as stated and that may present a problem for the secretary. you may remember that donald trump got hammered by the media for not disavowing david duke quickly enough. duke, of course, a far right hater. now we have a far left individual, soros bent on harming israel, america's strongest ally in the middle east. so how will the media cover that against soros, one of the biggest donors to the democratic party? talking points believes the mainstream

gaffney, who shares the city's history with his book, "port huron, 1880 through 1960. >> we are currently standing in front of the last known surviving structure of for the grashit, a military installation that was originally constructed in 1814 during the war of 1812. at the time canada next store was part of the enemy as you could say. under british control and this structure was built in 1829 along with several other structures of similar design to replace the original stock aid-style or log cabin style buildings originally built. prior to the telephone and the communications we know of internet, the postcard was one of the quickest way to send small snippets of information back and forth and the idea there was to keep things in a format, a creating to let people know you arrived at a location, and remembrance of where you were. the name of my book is, port huron, postcards, 1880 to 1960. i wrote it as, kind of a continuation of a project my father had wanted to do. my dad collected postcards of sinclair county in this region for about 40 years and unfortunately he passed away before h

david gaffney is senior politics writer for u.s. news and world report, david, welcome to you been covering politics a long time. how do you see these numbers? >> they are bad for both the candidates but unfortunately for donald trump, these elections are a choice and the choice people are making as you saw in those polls referenced at the top of your program, the choice people are making is that we may not like hillary clinton, we may not even trust hillary clinton but we think she's more confident to serve as president and given the choice is between her and donald trump and that's where you've seen the polling move over thelast week , it's been a disastrous week for him in his campaign area i think that universally known by republicans, democrats, everyone that's watched this last week unfold. best news for trump is it's only on. jon: you say it's hillary clinton's race to lose, what you mean by that? >> she had held the polling advantage against trump and the primaries ended almost 2 months ago in june. she has led the electoral

on book tv we talk with author tj gaffney and learn the railroad was played in michigan's subregion. the container movement is particularly the connection us shipping containers moving over from places like china and indonesia and elsewhere. railroads are very part -- much a part of that route. so when you go to long beach california where there is large shipping facilities, the railroads are right there and right alongside the container ships. they are the ones that help get it to the next -- mike connell, former executive editor and columnist for the port huron times herald talks about the richest report ron, its historical importance, and the current state of the economy on the city. 1990's, we were really thriving economy. not just any statewide, but also locally. we were doing pretty well. things stopped about the year 2000. in 2000, to go by household income, michigan is one of the 15 by the estate. 152008,, we were one of the poor states. >> on american history tv, we visit the train depot where thomas edison worked as a young boy and make a stop at the thomas edison depot mus

ensuing drive gaffney, oh, take it to the house. goes 44 yards to pay dirt. he not seen game action -- he had not seen game action in over two years. pats win 34-22 the final. >> it was not the best start no question. we started a liwhh we never want to do but you know that's going to happen sometimes. you are not always going to start the right way or whatever and it's it's a good experience being nut difficult situation and seeing house the guys responded and how everyone respond and i think we reacted in the right way. >> the patriots improve to 1-0 in preseason and take on the bears next week. that's the story here. one other note red sox blew another lead losing to the yankees by a score of 4-2. i am steve burton now back to you. >> all right. 5:25. still to come in the next half- at wbz. >> how a cat made it from florida to our studios. plus, how his forever home is here in new england. >> and drought conditions worse in some communities. fire department sounding the alarm over safety concerns and pamela not a lot of help today with the drought. >> we'v

. >> reporter: the professor gaffney has researched the impact on the host city. he said it would leave billions of debt. n' want to see the olympics back on american soil? >> absolutely not. the olympic model is dead. >> reporter: in the past decade, the olympics have just $8.9 billion. but l.a.'s mayor says bringing the games back to the heart of hollywood is not only a win for l.a., but the entire country. this is a movement that needs america. but i think america needs the olympics, too. for some of you the news continues. for others, check b b b ? ? >>> it's tuesday, august 23rd, 2016. this is the "cbs morning news." two new controversies erupt for hillary clinton. the fbi uncovering another 15,000 e-mails and new allegations against the clinton foundation. but clinton laughed it off with jimmy kimmel. >> have you considered using facetime instead of e-mail? [ laughter ] >>> in a possible pivot, donald trump reaches out to immigrant communities, calling for a firm, but fair deportation policy.

huron to learn more about the literary scene inside we will speak with local author and historian tj gaffneyo learn about the role railroads played with this book "rails around the thumb." >> [background sounds] >> the real impetus for writing the book came out of my interest in the radio history of the region. up to that point there had beent been a great show that a been written on it, especially comes to the different railroads and their growth within the different commuters in our region. the thumb region, if you look on a map, basically comprises five counties in the state. there is a little debate about that but for the most part people believe it. when the railroads first came into the county and into the thumb region as a whole, most of the life was centered upon the lake. so the interior itself, if there were farms or early settlers there, they were few and far between. the first railroads coming into the region, particularly the one that we are at now, the grand trunk, when he came up from detroit and made its connection here, economically it was still very tied to british interest

. >> i'm hank gaffney, don't have access to classified, of course, we did a lot of studies of the russian navy, and i've been -- but i've been googling to find out what the condition of the ssn in the northern fleet have been, and i'm getting not being able to pin down the numbers. i can figure out maybe five are good, although they've been listed as being under repair for a long time. and i think it's 1 sierra 1 and another is supposed to emerge in 2017. i even see one victor three still alive. are they really operative? are they good? >> order of battle. over to you. >> you can read to count this and spend more time doing it in his day-to-day life than i do. i think it's interesting to look at patrol rates, as well as what's operational, what's not. patrol rates are still pretty low, and i find that striking. and then in terms of what goes in for repair, what comes back out for repair, yeah, depends on when you look and the news varies and perhaps the folks following it on classified realm have a better sense of it, but my guess is if you're googling and you're paying attention to what

. >> professor christopher gaffney has studied the impact of olympics on host cities. he says most games make millions for the international olympic billions of dollars in debt with empty and rotting olympic venues. the mayor of los angeles says l.a. would be great because the venues already exist. this is going to be a profitable olympics. do you buy that? >> no, i don't buy any of it. it's just marketing. >> reporter: so you don't actually think americans should want to see the olympics back on american soil? >> absolutely not. the olympic model is dead. >> reporter: in the past decade the olympics have cost an >> this is a movement that needs 2014 for a while. it is made next november. >> let's hope it comes to l. >> >> l.a. is ready. they are ready. >> the team that tags sharks makes history again. up next, great white babies have humans watching over them. we will explain. you're watching "cbs this morning." come on... dogs just won't quit. neither does new frontline gold. its triple action formula for a full 30 days. good boy! go for the gold. we invited women to

. >> i am hank gaffney, 54 years in defense. one thing i have not heard -- when talking about debt, i read all of the articles. we are entering a period of secular stagnation, or are deep into it, and do not really know the way out. i the same time, interest rates, like 1.37% on bonds, and it looks like it will be that way for a long time. i heard then bernanke, in a brookings -- i heard ben bernanke, in a brookings session, note that the national debt would increase to 77% over the next 10 years. i am not sure with the big problem with debt is. michael: we will do one more question. >> charlie clark, reporter from government executive. a question for mr. hale. do the pentagon lobbyists and planners restrict themselves to what the defense budget ought to be, or do they take note of the fact that it is linked to domestic spending and revenue? is it kosher for them to get into that at all? michael: let's start with my and alice -- with maya and alice on the debt and then go to bob. maya: no surprise, everyone wants to borrow thing

. >> professor christopher gaffney has studied the impact of olympics on host cities. he says most games make millions for the international olympic committee, but leave their hosts billions of dollars in venues. the mayor of los angeles says l.a. would be great because the venues already exist. this is going to be a profitable olympics. do you buy that? >> no, i don't buy any of it. it's just marketing. >> reporter: so you don't actually think americans should want to see the olympics back on american soil? >> absolutely not. the olympic model is dead. >> reporter: in the past decade the olympics have cost an average 8.9 billion dollars with >> this is a movement that needs america, but i think america needs the olympics too. >> reporter: now if l.a. were to get the games, it would become only the second city in history to host the olympics three times. london has already done that. we are not going to know who gets the it is made next november. >> let's hope it comes to l. >> >> l.a. is ready. they are ready. >> the team that tags sharks makes history again. up next,

and kathleen gaffney. kathleen, lerts start with japan overnight. giant fiscal stimulus package. perhaps it is because it is the 26th one since 1990. any chance will will lead to a growth spurt? >> it does not look like it is impressing the market at all. and i think the market is really having a tough time with a large proportion of government bonds trading at negative yields and the impact that that is having on the economy. we need to get some effective stimulus and it doesn't look like it is coming from japan at this moment. >> why not? why do you see it is not effective stimz. and we are seeing global rates jump and japan is leading the way in terms of the moves there. >> you are seeing rates pick up a bit. but we really need to see more of a bigger move in order to catch the markets' attention. we seem to have this constant back and forth without any progress. so i think it has to be bold enough that the market takes note and we get a real strong reaction in the rates markets. but right now with yields where they are, it isn't enough to get th

i am hank gaffney, 54 years in defense. one thing i have not heard -- when talking about debt, i read all of the articles. ofare entering a period secular stagnation, or are deep into it, and do not really know the way out. i the same time, interest rates, , and it7% on bonds looks like it will be that way for a long time. i heard then bernanke, in a brookings -- i heard ben bernanke, in a brookings session, note that the national debt would increase to 77% over the next 10 years. i am not sure with the big problem with debt is. michael: we will do one more question. reporter fromrk, "governor executive." question for mr. hale. do the pentagon lobbyists and planners restrict themselves to what the defense budget ought to be, or do they take note of the fact that it is linked to domestic spending and revenue? is it kosher for them to get into that at all? michael: let's start with my and alice -- with maya and alice on the debt and then go to bob. maya: no surprise, everyone that theyorrow things won it to borrow before. so