concentration camps but just regular people like me and the year their lives are worse than how the gagne's in guantanamo bay that was the words from the former wigger 100 were detainee's the waivers 21 of the not 22 orders so i worked in guantanamo as an translator i was translating for those people who wore military uniform in guantanamo while the term i was wearing or not yes i was just a contract at linguist but at the beginning all the civilians were wearing uniforms and the our name cackle contractor i have the pictures calling contractors here i was not in the military but i am still happy that i was be able to give linguistic support to those 22 innocent or groups where i as sister then because they were off the accused because of the situation back home they escaped from the persecution they didn't have any senator there with al qaeda they didn't have any sympathy with al qaeda or the $911.00 attacks there we go there and want out so those $22.00 or you girders they have nothing to do is $911.00 they have nothing to do is to arrest these all good men were in desperate need of langu

off in chicago he is an anti nato analyst and a contributor to antiwar dot com in bath we have bruce gagne and he is the coordinator of the global network against weapons and nuclear power in space and in charlottesville we cross to david swanson he is the executive director of the world beyond war all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate david let me go to you 1st and charlottesville. going after my introduction right here listening to the president the united states we're in a great ideological struggle against autocracy here very much in tune with what we experienced during the cold war which i remember very well and it was an ideological struggle but is we living in in 2021 in the ideological struggle on the on the world stage what's your take go ahead david. i think mostly in the fantasies of us propaganda i think the reality is more a struggle between plutocracy and oligarchies there's no democracy to be seen there's no nobody in the us public has had a right to vote on whether to have a great battle against the

off in chicago he is an anti nato analyst and a contributor to antiwar dot com in bath we have bruce gagne he is the coordinator of the global network against weapons. and nuclear power in space and in charlottesville we cross to david swanson he is the executive director of world beyond war hi gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate david let me go to you 1st in charlottesville. going after my introduction right here we're listening the to the president the united states we're in a great ideological struggle against autocracy here very much in in tune with what we experienced during the cold war which i remember very well and it was an ideological struggle but is are we living in in 2021 in the ideological struggle on the on the world stage what's your take go ahead do it i think mostly in the fantasies of us propaganda i think the reality is more a struggle between plutocracy and oligarchies i mean there's no democracy to be seen you know there's no nobody in the u.s. public has had a right to vote on whether to have a great

off in chicago he is an anti nato analyst and a contributor to antiwar dot com in bath we have bruce gagne and he is the coordinator of the global network against weapons and nuclear power in space and in charlottesville we cross to david swanson he is the executive director of world beyond war hi gentlemen crosstalk roles in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate david let me go to you 1st and charlottesville . going after my introduction.

i was involved in the rodney gagne case in california. host: how were you involved?aller: i helped establish the justice committee. we were working along the lines of exposing collins for the insane verdict that was given, probation, with a $500 fine for the killing. we had the issue with what happened in simi valley. so we combined the two issues at the time, having a sense that justice denied was the affair. we anticipated what was going to happen with rodney king and latasha. we knew that there was not going to be any justice, right? i think when the congress person mentioned justice denied, and it has been said before -- host: were you surprised yesterday? did you expect guilty verdicts? caller: i had a sense that there would be guilty verdicts, because black people are at a state right now where it is enough is enough. host: is that community organizing today, as somebody who was a community organizer decades ago -- is that happening today or who is involved in different today or does it get more attention today than it did decades ago? caller: it got a lot of a