let's assume gahdafi is killed or captured. those are scenarios that take two different dregzs.. what's next for the rebels? what is the role for the u.s. do you think? >> i think what the rebels have to figure out is how they can come together in some kind of broad, national umbrella, how to make a link, if you will, between the transition council which is out there in benghazi and a group of former officials mostly, and the people on the street fighting. what is the connection? who will give orders? who will obey those orders? there isn't kind of a link as of yet that is very clear and a chain of command and that needs to happen, because the crucial thing that has to happen now is the establishment of order. you know, we often forget in the united states because we've had order that this is the most difficult thing for -- in any society is not the kind of government have you, but the degree of government you have. do you actually have a government that can establish order that can, you know, make sure that people can go out at night? can get their kids to school? that's the pr