and gail heriot teaches at the university of san diego school of law, and is a member of the u.s. commission on civil rights. welcome to you both. starting with you lee bolinger, how do you interpret this very narrow ruling? >> well, i think the first thing to note -- and it's really important -- is that the court and seven justices affirmed the gruder case and also the pall opinion in bacchi. every time the court does that, it creates another precedent. under the doctrine of starry desighs it that makes affirmative action in higher education all the more secure. we don't really know what the decision means in terms of additional proof. the court was quite big. it's important to realize there were both conservative and liberal justices that agreed to that. we'll just have to see what the meaning of that is. >> ifill: they didn't knock it down. so that's good news. what do you think? >> as justice scalia points out, the petitioner didn't actually challenge gruder in this case. that's an issue for another day. i agree this is not an earth-shaking opinion. ms. fisher did win the case