. >> longtime journalist gail sheehy, what was your first job in journalism? >> it was at the chronicle in rochester, new york. i was thrown in to be fashion editor. what i knew about fashion was not a lot of. shorts and t-shirts and playing tennis. but i learned fast. i had to file at the end of the day every day. it was so exciting. i just totally fell into it. >> when did you get into the kind of journalism that you have become known for? >> early actually because of new york magazine. the "herald" tribune which was tom wolfe told me when i met him in the elevator when i got my first job. i was working in the women's department which i called the estrogen zone. is three hours away -- there were no women in journalism in the mid '60s. to speak of. and tom said, the "herald" tribune is the main tijuana bullring for freelance writers. you have to be brave. so i snuck down the back stairs so my editors wouldn't see me. crossed into the testosterone zone, went to clay's office to pitch in my best store. i would've been fired by editor had seen me. so clay with h