"outfront" tonight, gail trotter, and stephanie miller. stephanie, let me start with you. used in this week's shooting can be bought online or at outdoor retailers like cabela's. is this outrageous, or is this simply a cultural reality in some parts of the country? >> in what -- do we want to live in a country where it's a cultural reality, erin, that that's an appropriate gift for your 5-year-old to have loaded around a 2-year-old? really? i mean, that website, what is that, baby's first rifle? do we have baby's first foundry, baby's first combine? really? have we lost our minds collectively? you can lose a dog, erin, i'm a dog rescue person. if you treat a dog inappropriately, it can be taken from your home. in what way is this appropriate parenting? let's start with that. >> gail, what's the answer to that? i mean, you know, you are teaching children who are hopefully going to grow up to use guns responsibly. some parents might say this is how you teach. >> no, absolutely not how you teach. but the cultural reality is that the number one marketer of guns to minors is ho