see with the greens really want to implement a green policy or with a just middling communists in galbraith i don't think the tree house plants the environment is a power is he and in my opinion and i'm not the only person to think that politics has nothing much to say nowadays only the economy matters being sebastian kurtz wants to be the challenges facing the economy front and center in coalition tall oaks the negotiations are expected to last several weeks if not months. well my 1st guest tonight cautions that populace may be losing elections now but their base of support is not necessarily shrinking in her book popular ocracy in the tyranny of authenticity and the rise of populism catherine vs he argues that getting rid of populism is most difficult in societies where not telling the truth is already the lingua franca of politicians evan is the director of global policy institute at queen mary university in london she joins me tonight from london catherine welcome to the day your piece today in the guardian it caught our attention because you write that outright lying is the winning cur

replaced galbraith as chairman for americans for democratic action., has two sons and went to chicago for mccarthy. >> good to see you. i'm running for the democratic nomination. >> i'm from out of town. >> what town do you live in? >> meredith. democrats vote in meredith too. >> i wish you luck. >> thank you. >> the mccarthy campaign tried to bring pressure on the professional politicians but it was all power and confrontation. politics is involved beyond that with persuasion, coaxing, and cajoling. you try to make it possible for people to do what you are trying to bring them to do and i think mccarthy's campaign was a little weak on the latter side. there was self-righteousness in his campaign. i am not happy with the campaign just based on peace and protests. . i think i am much more concerned about, and feel in my gut more deeply, economic injustice in the united states than he seems to or we are different kinds of people. >> the candidate's son. joe smiles. >> you are in that position. >> you don't want to be the candidate's son? >> there are go

regards and wishes she could be here and as she's 90 traveling is more difficult and ambassador peter galbraith returned from syria and also sent you his regards. >> thank you. >> i thought i would take that mic to say that publicly and for my question, and i'll keep it short. the rise of china, which i'm so glad you addressed in the speech, wouldn't have happened without collusion from the western powers as everybody knows, and, i mean, there are so many shocking facts that are now coming to light about how chinese firms on wall street are not refused to be auditted and wall street let's them, that china steals $600 billion for its intellectual property a year. if russia, india or france or japan did that, that china will never have its human rights record questioned and i've watched this much my whole life and i went to communist china in 1975, so i saw it. i found it absolutely shocking that the west has given communist china this easy pass and they are very much responsible for the rise of this ashore capitalism model. where do you think it's going, especially giving the uprising in hong ko

mother liz sends her regards and wishes she could be here, she's 90 and travel is difficult and peter galbraith returned from syria and i thought i'd make that public. and china, i'm glad you addressed that in your speech, couldn't happen without collusion from the western powers and shocking facts coming to light how chinese firms on wall street are refused to be audited and wall street lets them. that chinese steals $600 billion of intellectual property a year. if india, japan did that, they'd pay a price. and china would never have its human rights questioned at the u.n. and i went to communist china and chairman mao was still alive and the cultural revolution, thanks to my father, and i found it shocking that the west has given communist china this easy pass so they're very much responsible for the rise of this authoritarian capital model and where do you think it's going, especially given the uprising in hong kong? which i fully support. >> thanks. thank you also for your very kind words and again, just to reiterate how honored i am to be associated with your dad. but notwithstanding your