with gingrich campaign adviser bob walker and former gingrich staffer, political analyst rich galen. i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." >>> for more than two months, debt committee members have struggled with the complications of public policy and the reality of party politics. by way of good news, they're still talking to each other. >> we have 12 good people who have worked hard since this committee has been created to try to find sufficient common ground. >> i think all 12 members of this committee have really committed to doing that. we're working hard. >> still, it's hard to figure how they can in the hours left agree on a deal that has eluded them for months. joining me now for her first sunday interview as democratic co-chair of the super committee, senator patty murray from washington. thanks for being here at a tough time. there are multiple stories out there that it's over. >> look, i took on this task of co-chair with a real sense of the urgency of this country. the challenge that was in front of us and so many people saying to me, please, find a solution

joining us, paul begala along with rich galen. testy with reporters today? >> sort of singing a different tune, isn't he, wolf? i guess if you can't answer the question, you sing or dance or counter attack. if i remember giving him advice, i would say it's hard to do, but one of the things in this business, you never let them see you sweat. it's hard. i don't think people want to see their potential president lose their temper like that. my heart goes out to any campaign in a crisis like this. >> i thought frankly the singing was -- i thought was a little creepier than getting testy. i don't -- he's allowed to get testy. we want people to sort of get out of my way, but this -- this campaign, this shows what happens when you have an inexperienced candidate with an inexperienced staff that gets themselves involved in a major league problem like this. they have everything you could possibly do wrong and i have no idea what actually happened to start this, but we have a saying here in washington, it's not the crime, it's the cover up.

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cnn political analyst rich galen says it sounds like there was plenty of time for the campaign to prepare to hit. >> this is the kind of thing that you see with campaigns not very skilled or experienced. every campaign will have a bad time. every campaign is going to have to explain something they didn't think they were going to have to explain. you practice it, try to get ready for it. when it does happen, if it does happen, you kind of execute on the plan. >> reporter: here is how one reporter at politico responded when we asked if the story came from another republicanmental campaign. >> my colleagues and i have been reporting this story in the last three weeks n. the course of that time we've talked to dozens of current and former employees at the organization, current and former board members at the organization and a lot of folks in washington close to the organization. so this has been an extensively reported story, a thorough story and we have a half dozen sources telling us about various aspects of these claims against mr. cain. >> reporter: herman cain calls it a witch hunt and

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cnn political analyst rich galen says it sounds like there was plenty of time for the campaign to prepare for the story to hit. >> this is the kind of thing that you see with campaigns that aren't very skilled and very experienced. every campaign will have a bad time. every campaign is going to have to explain something they didn't think they were going to have to explain, but you practice it, try to get ready for it, and when and when it does happen, you just execute on the plan. >> reporter: here is how one reporter at politico responded when we asked if the story came from another presidential campaign. >> my colleagues and i have been reporting this store eat past three weeks. in the course of that time, we talked to dozens of current, former employees at the organization, current former board members at the organization and a lot of folks in washington that are close to the organization. this has been an extensively reported story, thorough story, and have a half dozen sources telling us about the various aspects of the claims against herman cain. >> reporter: he calls it an witch-hu

joining us, the democratic strategist, paul begala, along with republican strategist, rich galen. i'll play a little bit of the clip that i guess brain freeze is a lot of people are calling it, from last night. >> the second word, but i got -- >> and then we'll discuss. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there, that are gone. commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see -- commerce, education and the -- >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with, education, the -- commerce. and let's see -- i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> obviously, i stepped in, but again, i go, i have my moment of humor with it and then a press on and understand that there are a lot more serious things facing this country than whether or not i can remember the department of energy at an inappropriate time. >> i got to give him a little credit. he went on all the morning talk shows, morning news shows. he's going to be on letterman tonight. he's not backing down. he's trying to fix this. >> yeah. i know. i'm trying

. >>> joining us now role and martin and rich galen.he gloves as i wrote today on my blog, are beginning to come off between the two front-runners for the rop nomination. mitt romney and newt gingrich. listen to what romney is now saying about newt gingrich. >> he and i have very different backgrounds. he spent his last 30 or 40 years in washington. i spent my career in the private sector. he's a lifelong politician. i think you have to have the credibility of understanding how the economy works. and i do and that's one reason i'm in this race. >> he spent 30 or 40 years in washington. he's a lifelong politician. on the other hand, mitt romney's a business person. the gloves are a little bit beginning to come off. >> it's about time. look, this is supposed to be a change election. all the issues will boil down to the economy and so, mitt romney has to offer that contrast and it is an absolute joke for newt gingrich to stand here and talk about he's an outsider when he is an ultimate insider. this whole deal with all his institutes and t

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