i'd want a soldier who knew that it was his own wit and bravery keeping us safe. >> galen carey with the national association of evangelicals says if atheists and humanists need someone to talk to, to receive counsel from, there may be another way. >> there are times when psychologists, psychiatrists, other counselors are needed. that's not exactly the role of a chaplain, so if we need to have more psychiatrists, then sure, we should bring them in. but that doesn't mean we need to have chaplains. >> atheists argue that going to a psychiatrist, for whatever reason, is often interpreted as a negative on a soldier's record. >> chaplains have unfettered access to troops and they have clergy confidentiality. if you go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist within the military, it goes on your official record, which can jeopardize your job. >> it's just like anything else. anything that's different, or newer than other ideas, is always met with a little bit of trepidation by people. that's human nature. in the '60s, we were having the same conversation about people with different colored skin