galvao he should resign, but he refused.at you are not going to resign so i will take the charge to dismiss you myself." that's what he did. sophie: how did it feel to have them just fire you like that? ricardo: that's a hard question because maybe you have to ask them. i feel, i myself as a brazilian, i felt very sad actually because i never expect the president to say so openly and so bluntly against science actually. sophie: brazilian scientist carlos nobre was a lead author of the groundbreaking ipcc report into climate chan which helped win the organization the 2007 nobel peace prize. carlos: i mean, i would never have predicted in my scientific career, even five years ago, that the anti-science movement would be growing in the world, in the world. i mean, this is something hard to believe. cesar: president bolsonaro has slashed the budget of environmental agencies, reduced the number of field agents that are on the field. ibama, which is brazil's main environmental agency, had 1800 field agents a decade ago. these are