. >> you worry about people who have a gam nling problem? >> absolutely. the difference between the poker game you play with your friends you are not putting a lien on somebody's house. >> we can agree those are good friends. when you do it commercially that's when it crosses a line. that's when it makes it predator re. >> if that's commercial? >> teit's a business model. the commercial model is to make 40 to 50 percent of the profits come from people with a problem with it. the commercial gambling come -- >> if all of us game problem gamblers the industry would die in six months and a day. >> that is pretty unrealistic. >> mow more unrealistic as we increase the opportunities to gamble we all go to hell in a hand cart. the history of this country and other countries who have far more gambling and have been for centuries tells us are they problem gamblers? yes. there are tiny fractions and as they expand -- >> england legalized internet poker problem gambling didn't go up. >> exactly. >> i haven't seen a study that was by -- >> what is it? >> the addiction

. >>> gam nling has been illegal in pakistan for more than 60 years, but that has not stopped a thrivingmarket industry. >> reporter: it's pakistan's favorite past time, and whenever there is a major cricket match, thousands take to the streets to watch on big screens or anywhere else they can. and although it's illegal, some people place bets in the hopes the national team will win. >> translator: it was really confident pakistan would do well, but it's not looking so good. >> reporter: there are runs of gambling shops and book makers across the area, and during big sporting events like this, they rake in millions of dollars in illicit proceeds. al jazeera was given rare access to these book makers. we have hidden their identities. once the match is over, they will pack up and leave, easily having made hundreds of thousands of dollars. gambling was out lawed in 1947. 30 years later the laws were revised. the penalties are a $10 fine and up to one year in prison. given the relatively lax punishments and poor enforcement, illegal betting thri thrives, so much so that the police have been