our social justice leaders gandhi king and mandela taught us a lot about how to love others and our opponents but not so much about how to love ourselves this is a feminist intervention. for too long women and women of color and specifically have been told to suppress our rage and grief and the name of love and forgiveness no more the movement can no longer happen on our backs are over our dead bodies. the midwife tells us to breed and then the bush. not to breed the ones and then push the rest of the way known she says brief and pushing them read again. in all of our labors labor raising a family or making a move with our birthing a new nation we need people to help us breathe. and push into the fires of our bodies and the fires in the world and so i ask you how are you reading right now. who are you breathing with. breed with the earth and the sea and the sky breed with music and movement and meditation every day breed to summon the ancestors at our backs but when we breed. we let joy in. these days even on the darkest days i come home and my son says dance time mommy. we turn on the music

because doctor king was inspired by gandhi. within inspired me and then in 1972 and that was inspired which is why i believe and the need for black and brown solidarity but it is such a beautiful relationship between the east and the west and i was very happy to include it because of the apartheid in india entirely in keeping with those issues and jim crow with apartheid in south africa. and then we talked about race and how it impacts that never in conversation of access to health. >> and the journey that we go through the book. and you did touch on that really what do you hope is the take away from your book? >> really it ends with a very strong protocol with those properties and to negotiate as such and i am not just controlling the diseases for black and brown countries so i do hope if there is one and take away or two takeaways i would like for the toxic to be used because they are not available. governments are listening and they are toxic that you have a conversation that is more realistic and then to be too emotional it

king was inspired by gandhi. he came to india and said that he's in he's he visits most countries as a tourist but to india he comes as a pilgrim and he went back and he launched the montgomery bus boycott which then inspired the hiv movement which then inspired many global health movements, but also in india in 1972 something called the dalit panthers was set up which was inspired by the black panthers and there is such that which is why i believe in this intersectionality and you know, the the need for black and brown solidarity across nations and you know these parallels between india and us is such a beautiful but fragile relationship between east and the west and it was a complete privilege. i was surprised that it's not known enough and i was very happy to then include it because the cast apartheid in india is entirely in keeping with the racial etiquette of the jim crow era or the apartheider in south africa, but very few people know about it. and we kind of need to you know, the medical apartheid we talk

gandhi was to the thinking of barack obama. i had always thought nelson mandela, martin luther king jr. and his explanation of gandhi was really, i found, very interesting. then the killing of osama bin laden, operation neptune spear, you know, that barack obama and william -- you know, mcraven and the s.e.a.l.s and all of that, in a tick-tock way, in obama's book, is really good. it could have been a book on its own are really killing and tracking of osama bin laden. so obama's going to be writing. and then i've been involved with the oral history project of barack obama at columbia university. i'm part of their storytelling there, where we're doing oral history. so i've been able to interview for that oral history project. some people, you know -- and that's been interesting. so i've stayed in the mix a little bit in that way. >> how often are oral histories used by historians from your experience? >> i love them. and the obama one at columbia university is where the idea of an oral history project emanated. and the way they're doing the obama one is just spectacularly thorough, meanin

gandhi was to the thinking of barack obama. i'd always thought nelson mandela martin luther king jr. and his explanation of gandhi was really really i found interesting and then the killing of osama bin laden operation neptune spear that you know a barack obama and william make you know mcgraven and the seals and all of that in a tick tock way in obama's book is really good. it could have been a book on on its own just the killing tracking and of of osama bin laden, so obama's going to be writing and then then i've been involved with the oral history project of barack obama at columbia university. i'm part of their storytelling there where we're doing oral histories, so i've been able to interview for that oral history project some people, you know the in and that's been interesting. so i've stayed in the mix a little bit in that way. how often are oral histories used by historians from your experience. i love them and the obama won at columbia university where the oral idea of oral history project emanated and the way they are doing the obama one is just spectacularly thorough and me

martin luther king, one of the great religious leaders, mahatma gandhi, also helped to hold up the fundamentalode that kept us going. they believed in the creator without defining who the creator was. they weren't all believers. we have a real love-hate relationship with religion in this country. i think we are better off with it. host: religion has given us our basic moral code. what does it say to you that more americans than ever before say they are religiously unaffiliated? and fewer americans than ever before say religion is very important in their lives? guest: we have been saying this for years and years. i don't attend church like i did when i was a kid. my parents took us to church every day. not just sunday. but prayer meetings, deacons club, choir rehearsal. it was a firm part of our lives. i don't attend church like i did back then but i always remember those fundamental principles and the bible quotes and those stories that the bible offers which provides a moral code for the judeo-christian tradition. i think that a lot of folks, if they give more thought, they will say religion

transformation and washington the rebel and likewise, gandhi, who became much more than a rebel, who became a source of inspiration for for example martin luther king and for many others, whose gospel of non-violent resistance to oppressive government would become a theme running throughout the century, and who became certainly while he was alive of the largest figure of his time, a kind of much more than a nationalist, although he's inseparable from the birth of modern india from its breakaway from the british empire. he became in the end larger than india. >> do you have a photographic memory? >> i don't think so. i think i have an unusual memory. i have a curious, i have sort of a grab bag mind memory. i do have -- i suspect lots of people have this, not even aware of it. i have, compared it to fly paper, i have a fly paper memory for things i'm interested in or research that i'm doing. i can tell you four years later the source of a footnote in the dewey book. it's no great shakes and it's no particular value, but i might not remember what i had for breakfast, and i suspect there are lots of people like that, who have selective memories that ar

martin luther king, one of the great religious leaders, mahatma gandhi, also helped to hold up the fundamentalode that kept us going. they believed in the creator without defining who the creator was. they weren't all believers. we have a real love-hate relationship with religion in this country. i think we are better off with it. host: religion has given us our basic moral code. what does it say to you that more americans than ever before say they are religiously unaffiliated? and fewer americans than ever before say religion is very important in their lives? guest: we have been saying this for years and years. i don't attend church like i did when i was a kid. my parents took us to church every day. not just sunday. but prayer meetings, deacons club, choir rehearsal. it was a firm part of our lives. i don't attend church like i did back then but i always remember those fundamental principles and the bible quotes and those stories that the bible offers which provides a moral code for the judeo-christian tradition. i think that a lot of folks, if they give more thought, they will say religion