. >> going to bring gandy out to close up the program but please mine me and my thanking erik prince. [applause] >> thank you, erik and tracie. ladies and gentlemen if you would like your book sign your personalized i would ask that you give us a minute to step up the stage. in an orderly fashion if he would line up in decile here and then we will get the book signed and exit out that door. thank you very much. triet [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] we are here at the national press club talking with o'brien about his book we shall not be moved. tell us a little bit about how you got into this project. >> this was a project when i saw this photograph at the martin luther king center in atlanta in 1992 and realized that this photograph was iconic representation of the sick and and i knew the woman in the center of the photograph. i had met her through her children 20 years before in arlington virginia when i was a playground director and i knew at that moment in the context of all of the iconic civil rights paraphernalia at the king center this is a story that needed

i saw a quote from gandy. happiness is what you say, think, do is in harmony. think if we can work on that, i think faith without words is dead and not just being a hearer of the word but doer of the word. living out some of the things we're in and one of my favorites is the fruits of the spirit. >> remind us all? >> loves, joy, peace, goodness, gentleness, patience, kindness, self-control, king james' version but discipline. without discipline, there's no life, as some people said. robert frost said life is tons of discipline. i think if we have some of the fruits as what i've seen over the years, then it's important in living out our faith. of course, the seven deadly sins also with the pride and the lust and the greed and the envy and the gluttony and the about anger and the sloth. the four virtues, can counter some of that too. >> courage, temper, fortitude. same sort of thing. you see your ministry -- angels are a better nature, i guess is the phrase. when you look at people in difficult situations, how do you try to encourage that which is positive and op

you see million man march or the bloodiest battle, but you never see the mouth or the gandy when they'veing and everybody has left them and they feel alone and lonely. that's what you watch. you watch how change happens. >> jon: how greatness emerges from this chaos. i mean people really doll fill the moment with courage, with inspiration. it's amazing to watch ordinary people take on that mantle. >> thawrch. we've had some incredible heroes pop up during this revolution. one of them who you supported. >> jon: love it. yes. i support them from here. really it's quite luxurious. >> right now it's horrible because we've been showing the film everywhere and it's getting such accolades. i just talked to ahmed who is the main character in the film and said i'm so sorry because i can't show it in egypt yet. we're waiting for permission to release it in egypt. >> jon: can you stick around? >> can i. >> jon: we'll talk about ahmed and what is happening in egypt right new and why you are having trouble showing it there. the square is available on netflix and in select cities on january 17. it's r

i said, what would you say to a woman who is married, like in gandy, who runs the national organization for women who i also interviewed for my book. she has children. what would you say to her? was, what id meant to say was that feminist promote policies that are anti- family. basically, that feminists are anti-children, anti- marriage, and so on. isthe institute for study for liberal feminist women? i did a lot of research. i came to this project because -- actually, my original spark for this idea was in college. pennsylvania. it was one of the state that was going down. there was a big debate about it. for a women's studies class, i interviewed a woman from stop e.r.a.. and i was fascinated with the men who would oppose equal rights amendment. then when i was in graduate school, i had a major field of about women in politics. and it really was about feminists and feminism in politics, generally speaking. there were some exceptions. there was a lot of attention to diversity among women, but not a lot of attention to ideological diversity among women. there is a lot of scholarship on

except i didn't get to say this, where is our ugly gandy, martin luther king and ugly mandela?people need a spiritual leader to fight against this lookism. >> go for it. >> i don't qualify. i am short. i will give you that. but i am not an idiot. we need a real you ugly person to do that. andy? but you are jewish. >>> the university of colorado has ordered a professor to stop teaching a course on behavior. you can't be in charge of two rights groups. where am i? the reason the sociology professor got in trouble, students complained they didn't want to take part in a role playing skit where one actor played a hooker was sold as that slave and another played a pimp. i guess. but she would say that. people who gm become professors can kipping out the kids. >> i went into the wrong:00 could you payings. if you do something and you can't be fired because of your tenure and you say let's play pimp and hos. >> i admire this. but this surprises me, joe. she is a woman doing this. usually a guy does this. >> was she filming the skit for self-gratification? >> sounds like college has bec

gandy went to india. he began movements to south africa. dr. king oftentimes cited ghandi as his exemplary so did mandela. when you speak of the american movement and south africa, there's a common theme. so, there is an intellectual, spiritual relationship. clearly, the movement in south africa was one in which all of the resources of the state were placed against mr. mandela and his movement. in this country, we had our own challenges, of course, coming out of slavery. our civil war, there were places of refuge. during the civil war, there were places of refuge in this country, there were none in south africa. many had to flee and go elsewhere. mr. mandela chose not to flee and go elsewhere. he spent 27 years in prison. >> interestingly, too, martin luther king made an impact while living, but one could argue he's made a greater impact since he has been gone. nelson mandela made the impact while he was still with us. >> caller: near where i live here in southwest washington, it's been king memorial. every day, you are reminded of dr. king's p

as you look back over the second half of the 20th century, maybe you could talk about gandy in india in the first half of the 20th century pcht in the second half of the 20th century, very difficult indeed to think of another figure who affected his country and the world in an entirely positive fashion. mandela was i think one of the most extraordinary people we'll ever have witnessed in our lifetime. i think every single person in south africa would say there's no other single person who could do what he did. at the same time, as bob beckel was saying earlier, credit has to be given to south africa's last white president that moved the country very slowly and reluctantly forward. the only person who could make the step, bring about the reconciliation precisely because it had been held by the white regime in south africa 27 years was nelson mandela. see him along side f.w. just extraordinary man. >> you're on point. thank you so much for your bit of look into history. bob beckel from the five and dana perino is here with us from the five. the you were saying while jonathan was speaki

what would you say to a woman who was married, like kim gandy, she's married, she has children. what would you say to her? she said oh, what i meant to say is that feminists promote policies that are anti-marriage or anti-children. so she had to elaborate. but basically the stereotypes were that women, feminists were basically anti-children, anti-marriage and so on. >> is there an institute for a ,tudy of liberal feminist women a lot of research already on that is what i found. i came to this project, i have to say a regional spark, when i was in college. it s in pennsylvania, where was going down. i interviewed a woman, ever since then, i was completely fascinated with women who would oppose equal rights amendments. then when i was in graduate school, i was in a program where my major field of study is, and most of the research on women in politics really is about feminists and feminism and politics. jeb rally speaking, obviously there's some exceptions. there's a lot of attention to diversity among women but there -- so i think a lot of scholarship out there on liberal feminis

that the 20th century produced a tiny number of figures, king, gandy, who changed world history through small number of heads of state, like wilessa, whose emergence was tied to a collective realization of freedom. but only nelson mandela's name would appear on both lists. and to the reverend's point, he was a cultural, civic and political icon. and yet as we were showing in some of the clips today, the question is whether in his embrace now, do we forget some of how controversial he was, even here in the united states. >> we do, certainly. we have seen that in the reaction to his death. but, you know, mandela was a figure unlike whom we see more than once or twice a century. extraordinary character. i wrote that he was the george washington of his country. but he was also the james madison of his country. he didn't just -- he was a combination of so many of these great leaders of gandhi, king, washington, madison. it's absolutely astounding. and what he did in those years after he was released from prison, those four years in negotiating and writing a constitution for the new south afr

. >> ron bureau gandy. >> one of the most in flew i think so anchors. >> on camera, he is the best. we were coming up in the late '70s, ron got the lead anchor position at kvwn because his mustache was slightly bigger than mine. people found comfort in a mustache man delivering the news. i love my beard but i would trade it for that mustache in a heartbeat. >> when i first graduated from college and started reporting, i was doing my best ron burgundy impression, everyone was, the mustache, the whole persona. >> we hit the national spotlight about the same time. today he has the most awards of any anchor, some of them honestly i think belong to me because they're literally mine. he just took them off my shelf right in front of me and acted like i didn't see it. >> the first job i had was as an intern for ron burgundy. they were the worst years of my life. he didn't trust any of the local dry cleaners, he made me learn how to dry clean. i had to buy a specialized machine, keep it in my studio apartment. >> when i started anderson cooper 360, ron's shadow still loop loomed over the sho

>> i think that people like gandy and martin luther king and nelson mandela really register and put ity of practicing being in the world. i think that's the essence of this thing. i am not saying jesus was not crucified. this is 170 pages. it's 170 pages. as a scholar, you couldn't have read 1/1,000th of what's out there. how do you start with something that ends up 170 pages? >> if you lock at jesus now, it's a great moment to do that. in the last half century there is so much new material available. not just the four gospels, but the 20 that were discovered in egypt in 1945. the dead sea scrolls and all of this amazing archaeological stuff. we know a lot more about the period in which jesus lived. >> this is what happens when your professor is living in an old house that overlooks the grown mountains. you think about these things. the book is jesus, the human face of god. thank you so much for sharing. >> thank you. >> coming up, what's driving today's markets. business before the bell is next. ♪ by the end of december, we'll be delivering ♪ ♪ through 12 blizzards blowing ♪ 6 snowbal