aconda described her and he said ganz, does the name ganz mean anything to you? i said ian she was introduced joan ganz cooley it. ganz must have been her maiden name and kuni was her married name. he said he won't believe this, i asked her to marry me. [laughter] when we went to the university of arizona together, where she? so i put him in touch and he said how can i help you? she said well i'm having trouble she said i've got foundation funny -- money from the carnegie foundation and dr. hamburg is here tonight but i don't have enough money to take it national and i applied to h. a gw, now hhs and the secretary bair, caspar weinberger, turned me down. he said well i think i can help you with that, because senator goldwater has weinberger's budget. [laughter] he says you come down to washington and i will take you to see senator goldwater. he took her to see senator goldwater and goldwater looked at her and said, ganz cooney. are you from arizona? she said, yes. are you related to harry ganz? she said he is my uncle. he threw his arms around her and he said, ha

and i went to las vegas one day and saw danny ganz, who unfortunately passed away a couple of years agoound watching everybody react to his impressions, and i thought, well, i can do all of those voices, but do all of them without moving my lips. so i went back home and rewrote my show, took me about six months, and made every single puppet i have do impressions of singers. and all of a sudden, people really started taking notice. >> and that was the magical tipping point, wasn't it? >> it was. >> when you came to "america's got talent," we saw hundreds of ventriloquists, most of them horrific, because the first thing they do is move their lips. and you came on, and i remember, you weren't the favorite for a long time, but there was something very special about that, because people of all ages were really enjoying it. we could see in the audience, everyone was loving what you were doing. and you got more confident, and right at the end, bang, you won the show. >> yeah. and what was funny was, i went into the show, pretty much with a plan. >> oh, by the way, i'm winston. >> yeah, you kno