however, we have had results of a gao study that are less than favorable. gao recommends that tsa limit future funding for the program so an accurate study is completed using behavioral indicators to identify -- based on tsa's own plans it will be at least three years before they can begin measuring the effectiveness of spot. i'm that tsa disagrees with the gao's findings and i look forward to hearing that. and also argues that spot is risk-based, which i think it's a good premise. i would like to hear tsa's explanation and information used to support this. frankly, i am disappoindisappoin ted with the findings in the report because i believe, as i said, there's value in assessing behavior in aviation environment. they are our century-old techniques and tools law enforcement and other security organizations, including israel. many people pointed israel as a model. that will allow individuals to assess behavior. but if this program isn't working, we need to find something that will more effectively. i'm concerned he is a will continue to so-called spin its w

people probably have no idea what gao is or what to do. they are a watchdog, sort of a congressional watchdog to make sure that we are minding our peace and cues in the federal government, in a lot of different ways. the way we run our operations, guided and cost effective way. brought operation from widely diverse operations. every other year gao comes up witwith something they call ther high-risk list. when i first heard about the high-risk list i said what is that? they said it's a high risk, it's a whole list of activities designated, identified by the general accounting office to waste money. every now and then i talk to constituents, we talked about what we do to try to reduce the budget deficit and i people say i don't pay anymore taxes but i'm going -- i just don't want you to waste my money. and that one of the things gao does, once congress identify ways to spend money more effectively. and also to collect monies owed to the treasury more effectively. it's that function i want to talk about. gao every other year reports to us alo

>> perhaps the gao could comment on whether or not this was a site that should have been launched on october 1st and serviced a full six people while millions were unable to get through. >> knowing what we now know, a delay in rollout would have made sense. i don't know what, we're not privy to who knew what when in terms of the test results and that stuff. >> a lot of these regulations were delayed. do you know why? >> the gentleman's time is expired. the gentleman may answer. >> i don't have the scope -- it's not within my scope to cover regulations. >> does anyone know? mr. park, you were chief of technology. your organization owned the question of whether or not in a timely fashion the regulations were created. >> that's actually a mischaracterization of my organization's role. we are a tech policy people not health policy people. >> but whether the trains run on time and get -- whether things implementing laws, isn't that what omb does? >> my role in omb is to set governmentwide policy to look at governmentwide budget. >> we should get the omb director in here to find out after

>> my understanding is that the gao report may have set forth deadlines. i think usually 60 to 90 days. i can tell you they are actively working on it t and it is the at forefront of their mind. and i think it'll be very useful guidance for the taxpayers when it comes out. >> thank you. ms. ramen, do you want it add anything or take anything away. >> certainly not take anything away. i will say that the department of justice was very aware of the gao report. we took an interest in the findings and we have been discussing some of the findings in the gao report. >> i think you said earlier, that fen-sen did not opine on whether or not virtual currencies are currencies or commodities. i would just ask of you, who do you think should be making that decision? and second question would be, who do you think should be making that decision? do we need that definition to be made to in order to enforce the laws and regulations? >> i'm not sure i should know who would make that decision. >> you think it should be mr. -- >> i'm sure congress has a rule and when we star

>> i've read that gao report. i saw the 31 issues that gao identified. i was pleased to see that, according to gao, dhs is moving in the right direction with respect to these issues and resolving a number of them. in terms of management issues, vacancies, ensuring an efficient procurement process, getting an unqualified audited financial statement and dealing with some of the internal controls issues that lead to an unqualified opinion, i also think that with six different accounting systems we need to be sure we have what the financial people call this is intelligence so you can identify things like i'm obligated funds across your bureaucracy. and i think dhs is moving in the right direction but it's only going to continue to move in the right direction if somebody is pushing it and sometimes making people feel uncomfortable about deadlines and about the status quo. and understand that's good leadership, and understand that a bureaucracy is a large come sluggish aircraft carrier that will come if you let it, ma just kind of child alone in a different di

what is gao's response on that? >> we have -- that's a separate issue from the people part. but we have done work in the past looking at the potential overclassification of materials, and we do have work just started looking again at the potential over classification that does relate to the first step of the personnel security clearance process. determining for a position needs to have access to classified information. that's where those types of trade-offs could be made. there's a misperception often that security clearance follows the person. it doesn't. it follows the position so as we have noted there's been a lack of guy dance in the area. we did work at dod and dhs components with them both of those department. we found that some components took initiative to revalidate existing positions and some did it one time and no plans to do it again. some never did it. so from a personnel security clearance process view, that very first step is very important make sure that the position does require access to classified information. that's where the type of questions could be a

the proposed regulations also incorporate the gao's recommendation that the executive branch agencies periodically review and validate or revised designations of existing positions. this guidance is expected to have positive implications for both national security and federal work force. they propose rule and revise position designation tool will provide executive branch agencies with consistent guidance and a concrete process to accurately reassess the sensitivity level assigned to the current position and ensure future positions are designated accurately and consistently. the proposed rule will help guide agency heads and designating a position as sensitive with respect to national security, even if the position does not require access to classified information. the enhanced guidance will facilitate more uniform designations across agencies which are better aligned to the actual national security implications and sensitivities inherent with the position. this process is expected in some cases to result in the redesignation of positions to a lower sensitivity level or public trust de

she's authored several gao reports critiquing efforts to reform the clearance process. we thank you for your testimony today, and earlier before senator tester's committee. in turning it over to mr. jordan for remarks, we had a short conversation before the hearing began, and i don't think you were present, but what i said to the witnesses, the colleague, and guestingses, i said what we're trying to do here is figure out, what is the role of government? what is the role of government? i quoted abraham lincoln who used to say the role of government is to do for the people what they cannot do for themselves. david, more recently said in a book called "reinventing government," the role of government it is to steer the boat, not the load the boat. we have to figure out better what is the role of government, what kind of steering to we need to do, and who should be doing the rolls, and how do we make sure we steer better, whoever is doing the roling, who is doing a better job as of late. all right, mr. jordan, you have roughly five minutes to give a statement, go beyond that

given the concerns it's been raised both by gao and the i think. we are smaller agency today than a year ago. i believe that trend will continue primarily through attrition. it's not that we are letting people off. my concern with that is that if we remove one whole layer of security, that being the who are the least invasive and looking for intent rather than item. it gives us an exposure to potential terrorists that we don't currently have. the risk reward equation is difficult at gao and ig have pointed out given my experience in law enforcement and national security, i know how it works, and so i'm a strong advocate because i don't want to take away a security that may identify the next punitive terrorists who may decide they want to get to an airport in the u.s. to do something bad. >> well, i would love to have at least a statement or analysis on our return of investment on the $200 plus million. let me just say this, in my final few minutes. because -- few seconds. because i know that we've made a lot of statements about the incident at la x

in that report, the gao noted the need for standardized and clearly defined policies for agencies who designate positions as sensitive or requiring a security clearance and for existing position designation tools to be updated to increase such gyps. the proposed regulations incorporate the gao's recommendation at the executive branch agency periodically review, validate, or revise designation of existing positions. this guidance is expected to have positive implications for both national security and federal work force. the proposed rule and revised position designation tool will provide executive branch agencies with consistent guidance and concrete process to accurately reassess the sensitivity level assigned to the current positions and assure they are accurate and consistent. the proposed rule will help guide agency heads in designating a position as sensitive with respect to national security even if the position does not require access to classified information. this has uniform designations across agencies better aligned with the national security. this process is expected in s

i will work to get dhs off the gao high risk list. i will be a hawk when it comes to identifying fraud, waste and abuse in the use of taxpayer dollars. if confirmed, i pledge not to shrink from difficult or controversial decisions. those at the pentagon and in the field know my track record in this regard, ranging from politically-charged matters of personnel policy to the legality of lethal force. if confirmed, i will work to implement all legislation enacted into law. like president obama, many in congress, the business community and most of the american public, i support comprehensive, common-sense immigration reform. if reform is enacted into law, i will work to prepare dhs to administer the changes in law and ensure that dhs has the staff, resources and capability to do so. if confirmed, i intend to be transparent with the american people about our efforts on their behalf. while the senior lawyer for the department of defense i made the extra effort to publicly explain and defend u.s. national security policies, including in spee

nhk world's tra tina gao son has the story. >> reporter: this morning i met eduardo gonzalez, a survivor from the town of gee want on assume march island where the typhoon first made landfall. he was visiting his family when the disaster struck. >> translator: 100% of houses were destroyed. people can't buy anything because the stores have been ransacked. the problem people face is that there is no more food, no electricity, no water and no rice. there's nothing left. anything that wasn't ruined by the water has already been looted. >> reporter: gonzalez and his family rushed to the airport to escape but the military aircraft allowed only one person to board. the family decided he should go first because he was familiar with manila. he has no idea what happened to them after he left and no way of communicating with them. >> translator: it's not like tacloban where communication has already been restored. there's no way of reaching them. i haven't had any contact since i left. i'm sad and always thinking about what they will eat that d day. >> reporter: the devastation on assume march isl

. >> according to the gao, the number of lawsuits filed in the state is low. how big of a problem is this? >> the argument that you've raised, and the gao report is one of our best tools in lobbying. freed to work has this meetings with the overwhelming majority of public senator offices. we use the report commissioned by the spop sore, the senators who gave the wonderful marks for the first time since his stroke. we used the gao report - it won't create a floodgate of litigation - it's a modest measure, having appropriate remedies when people face harassment. it's in line with 50 years of civil rights legislation history, and actions that people have brought in court when they do face harassment, discrimination, but it is - it is a very modest and passable bill. that's why we have a great result in the u.s. senate, with more than 60 senators joining to move the bill forward. we think a final passage by the end of the week. >> we have a viewer question. >> viewer christy says, "i wonder how many thought it was a law." why do you think that is? >> sha sadly tru

in the report the gao urges congress to cut funding for the program. but at a hearing yesterday with the house subcommittee on transportation security. tsa administrator john pistol said behavior detection officers are essential. my concern with the deficiencies that is that if we remove one whole layer of security that need to be those who again are the least invasive. i am looking for intent rather than items. then that gives us of exposure to potential terrorists that we don't currently have. this latest study and whether it's an awesome that this program forget. i read earlier by jd to kill a managing editor of reason in twenty four seven i first asked him about the kinds of behavioral indicators. the tsa would consider suspicious. well look what they say what this is deceptive and stated a dom what an excerpt exactly constitutes is anybody's guess a mini do check with the things i wanna go through that it was to identify high risk passengers. the key indicator though is that important fact is that there is a cb any basis for the permit a stamp. ri

the gao distinguished high-risk, medium risk, and low risk. a third of the time one said high and another said low. who does the interpretation? and how accurate will that be? i think that's going a huge problem particularly if the interpretation is done by private companies using privating a georgia rhythm that are transparent, that aren't open to analysis, that aren't fda approved. and company says you're at high-risk for diabetes. company b. said low risk. what do you know? and diabetes that's one where the progressive efforts are good for you like lose weight. what it's high-risk that lead to surgery? one company said we should take out your prostate gland. and another company says, no, no problem with your prostate gland. how are we going to do decide that? i think the biggest, hardest issue will be how in the world will we explain this to people like you and me. and people like you and me who may be even less sophisticated about medicine than most of you and i are. -- something like that. it's hard. right now the saving grace if you go f

i will work to get dhs of the gao high-risk list. i will be a hawk when it comes to identifying fraud, waste, and abuse in the use of taxpayer dollars. if confirmed, i pledge not to shrink from difficult or controversial decisions. those at the pentagon and in the field know my track record in this regard, ranging from politically charged matters of legality policy to the of lethal force. if confirmed, i will work to implement all legislation enacted into law. like president obama, many in congress, the business community, and most of the support public, i commonsense immigration reform. if enacted into law, i will work to prepare dhs to ensure that dhs has the staff, resources, and capability to do so. i intend to be transparent with the american people about our efforts on their behalf. while senior lawyer for the department of defense, i made the extra effort to publicly explain and defend u.s. national security policies including speeches at the heritage foundation and october 2011 and the union in 2012. i supported the declassif

. >> the answer is we do not know because gao performed this analysis of the completeness documentation in 2006 and 2009 so we do not know outside dod the information that you're asking for, and this is the type of oversight we say is needed. >> all right. second question, what type of information is missing? can you give us an idea? >> employment verification for discussions with the employers. social references, especially the number of social references in order to determine qark, completeness of the application, which should be the very first step as we noted before that should be done before you move forward. >> all right, thank you. >> and the third question, has gao had the opportunity to take another look at issues since 2008, and if not, is there noted improvement? >> we have continued to monitor opm's actions to implement the recommendation we made at that time. as i noted in 2010, we were very encouraged there was agreement among omb, dod, and the dni regarding metrics for r quality of investigations as well as adjudications and other aspects of the process. there was somewha

>> my understanding is that the gao report may have set forth deadlines. i think usually 60 to 90 days. i can tell you they are actively working on it t and it is the at forefront of their mind. and i think it'll be very useful guidance for the taxpayers when it comes out. >> thank you. ms. ramen, do you want it add anything or take anything away. >> certainly not take anything away. i will say that the department of justice was very aware of the gao report. we took an interest in the findings and we have been discussing some of the findings in the gao report. >> i think you said earlier, that fen-sen did not opine on whether or not virtual currencies are currencies or commodities. i would just ask of you, who do you think should be making that decision? and second question would be, who do you think should be making that decision? do we need that definition to be made to in order to enforce the laws and regulations? >> i'm not sure i should know who would make that decision. >> you think it should be mr. -- >> i'm sure congress has a rule and when we star

chow who leave the gao out of it because we will probably ask them help us find out. but none of you today can tell us who failed to do their job and as a result, the american people lost a month of any effective, real ability to sign up. this website was dead at launch for all practical purposes and i am sorry, but you have -- you can give me all the numbers you want. six on the first day and 240 on the second day, when millions of americans were trying to make this work. we may disagree on obamacare, -- we do not disagree a disagree that that was unacceptable. understand,fail to you and mr. bateman, and all of you in the administration who are allowed to go to those meetings, mr. palmer would tell you best practices should be a lot more like it is that toyota company. or honda. line, oneduction person who sees a bad car coming down, is allowed to stop the production line. in this case, a really defective, something that would make -- launched on october 1, and nobody said here today or for that matter since i have been listening to the various hearings, nobody said,

today the gao releases a report that just shows that 8400 people who receive security clearances well they had tax debt that is the vulnerability to get security clearances. the vast majority were top-secret. so our process is obviously broken, not complete or not have adequate. until this year opm cannot even check those for background checks or the ig recommended 22 individuals received no answer on four cases in the form the other eight would not be debarred. said to for tamoxifen to a deranged but the way they handle access data. there is way too much stuff that is classified that does not need to be classified in number to wait too many security clearance is approved so if you marked the increase the material that doesn't need classified they have to increase the number of people that have access to look forward to going through the of commons today to get the real and answers and i thank you kid for holding this hearing and they appreciate the work of senator tester. >> thank you. i would like to say dr. colbert for his leadership as well but four months ago we had a hearing aft

at hhs, cio authority is an issue gao reported on just last week. across 27 departments, about $40 billion are spent annually on these 700 investments. and public dissemination of each project status is intended to allow omb and the congress to hold agencies acountable tr 3er formans. surprisingly, they showed a green cio rating. but interestingly, the rating was red in march. both omb are important so executives are aware of project risks. we have issued reports on omb and agency tech stats and their excellent results. primarily, halting and scoping and redirecting troubled projects. we are not aware that healthcare.gov was subject to a tech stat review. for expertise, it is extremely important to project success for knowledge and skills. this applies to a number of programs including management, systems integration and testing. and fifth, program management. z several best practices increase the likelihood that it will be delivered on time, within budget and within the functionality promised. this starts with getting your requirements right and ha

and yet as gao testified in our hearing a couple of weeks ago, if you compare 2008 to 2012, and look at cost estimations, just in those four years, we got 7% worse on developmental cost, 13% worse on total acquisition cost. and the average delay in initial operating capability went from 22 months to 27 months. just looking at the last four years, we've gotten worse in all of these categories. but of course, it's not just the acquisition of weapons and equipment, the pentagon spends more on service contracts than it does on weapons. and there it's even harder to know if the taxpayers are getting good value. what we know if you look at the last five years. contract spending is down 10%. but bid protests are up 45%. there's hardly a contract awarded these days there's not a protest on. so what is the effect of these trends? well, we waste a lot of money and effort. we have more tail and less tooth. more overhead and less fighting capability than we should have for the money we spend. let me just give you another quick historical test. who said this and when? as long as we operate a syst

open to only give these men and a maximum punishment that the fort that is seven years studying that gao the role of first held in russia's support of movements that. i want to go with restoring it to st petersburg where the odd now kept in the three different attention that the centers. well that we can see it or think in kenya and the intonation of the story is that on tuesday and wednesday and probably until the next week that the senate as i said that the worst investigate a skinny teenage thirty applications for roll the detainees. so we'll see mall hearing said the sweep of penrith on the things that they then from some pages done. coming up from it still looks a bit callings have the record breaking week a film about but it said go washington worried coming up that we take a local wine will make it for the click of the digital currencies way the eye. move the new the eye roo. the two language. news programs and documentaries in arabic. its goal hero of tea we'll talk. he liked the interview. intriguing story. are you today the arabic for no more visit our big old auntie don't call

because the senator has tabled the bill if it's passed it will take top priority by the gao and should receive top priority next week. >> unbelievable, hard to comprehend in all this. you talked about jerry having the intervention of a general whom he happen to know. >> yes. >> is there any way of appeal in andrew's case? >> there is an appeal process. there are so many soldiers, the military is downsizing to such an extent, there are so many personnel who are now leaving the service that the entire system is cataloged. if you get out and you appeal it can take a long time before they can convene a board. even though jerry jensen had his other than honorable discharge before they even wrote the paper it still took months and months for him to get all of the benefits he was entitled to. he is still short pay. >> is it like a subjective interpretation of who ought to be chaptered out? >> there is some anecdotal information that suggests that in some bases particularly combat base where there is a big push to downsize, that some jags, judicial officers have decided that chaptering out is

we welcome the gao review. i want to make sure that you're satisfied. i want to be sas fied in these fronts. i share your concern. and i do think it would undermine the mission of our agency if we were seen to be and were cavalier about security or privacy and we ended up with one of the problems of the kind you'd describe. so everything you do to scrub us and to make sure that we're performing up to snuff in this area is what i want us to be doing, as well. so it feels to me that this is a moouch wall concern that we share. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> i thank you for your testimony today. this hearing is adjourned.

report after gao report on the inability of every agency from the irs to hhs and others to take therivate data. and an example you're talking about is just one example where they were allowing people to plug usb plugs, memory sticks into a very secure computer system and walk out the door with them. dennis: yeah. and in the latest case with the obamacare web site, one guy went on there and actually realized he was seeing the patient files of other people who had signed up, and though he himself was a regular patient. now, in terms of the real security risk here, i really kind of doubt that some hacker in iran cares that i'm on norvask for high blood pressure. what's the big deal? >> oh, i wouldn't count on that. if you look at the history of computer attacks and what, for example, the opportunity for blackmailing, the opportunity for phishing, knowing what your health conditions are, for example, would be an opportunity to market to you fraudulent health care solutions, you know? there's a new cure for the disease that you happen to half. so if people treasure their health care data

e way to go ga >> anand gao. is i thinkthe first you are right, we contribute to the problem. the first thing is to understand how we contribute to the problem. beginning of finding solutions is understanding. secondly, i think it is a really good point, and i do not know if this analogy works or not, but walmart tolerates a certain , becausee of shrinkage if they absolutely prevented shoplifting from everyone of their stores they would frisk you coming and goings, and it is not worth the stores -- not worth the cost. we had to get to the point that we are willing to accept some amount of risk that someone will do something they should not do, but at the same time we have to have the transparency and accountability that goes with that. but thegement accountability for decisions that were made. you probably recover, the lady in the army that work and said she was astounded at how little decision-making power that the program managers in the services actually have versus outside. so we have to empower them. and understand there is some risk that someone will not take a good deci

how many gao programs have we had? let's address them finally. let's see if we can work together to do this is a much smarter way. let's not kick the can down the road. i have said it a third time. let's show the american people we can get something done on their behalf and we and the government by crisis, it gets out of the trenches on both side of the aisle and get something done for the american people. lex next from a wisconsinite. senator bolan. >> thank you. i want to recognize the leadership of chairman murray. while i have heard some real notes of agreement, including the obvious, the american people are sick and tired, exhausted of governing from manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis, and we know the faith in us has been badly eroded, but one thing that we have heard echoed around this table today and heartened by that is we need to pass a budget that grows the economy. so it is time to do just that. time for both parties to work together and find a responsible budget forward that invests in economic growth. as we began the budget c

we welcome the gao review. i want to make sure that you're satisfied. i want to be sas fied in these fronts. i share your concern. and i do think it would undermine the mission of our agency if we were seen to be and were cavalier about security or privacy and we ended up with one of the problems of the kind you'd describe. so everything you do to scrub us and to make sure that we're performing up to snuff in this area is what i want us to be doing, as well. so it feels to me that this is a moouch wall concern that we share. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> i thank you for your testimony today. this hearing is adjourned. >> the house and senate budget negotiators hold their second meeting tomorrow and try to come up with a budget blueprint for 2014. we will hear from congressional budget office director lies at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three. on thursday, the president posses non--- nominee to take over as the federal reserve chairman testifies at her confirmation hearing. live coverage thursday at 10:00 eastern also one sees and three.

. >> that's what the gao says. >> no, no. >> we know the cost according to the cbo. >> i won't tell you. it's early to know. >> okay. >> that's a fair statement. >> rate shock is real. cancellation is real for some people. it's not real -- >> $2500 per savings per year. who said that? >> wasn't me. >> what we can say is the associated press -- >> so disarming when he laughs. i wish you were angry. it's a lie. >> it's serious, personal. this is an increased cost for me personally. i represent millions. the associated press is reporting already three and a half million at least received these letters. >> how much more do you pay? >> at least a couple thousand dollars per year. >> more. >> yes. >> i'm not receiving any better benefit. >> rick should subsidize you because he bought into the lie and you didn't. >> my pleasure. >> take it. >> you say it will cost a couple thousand more. let me ask about the letter. what did it say? do you mind if i ask who the insurer was? if you're comfortable saying. >> it's care first. i don't believe they are responsible for this. i believe the affordable

and then we want periodic reviews by the gao to make sure it is fully functional.eople to access it if it's not done. i know everybody in the world has been brought in with computer expertise to try to fix the problem. i'm hopeful that they will get it done. but time is getting very short. because we have lost, by the end of november, almost two months, in fact, two months that people needed to sign up. it's just inadequate amount of time left before the january deadline. we need to extend the deadline for enrollment. we need to extend any deadlines for penalties. >> congressman, thank you very much. sir. i hope you will come back, sir. >> i look forward to that thank you greta, very much. >> thank you, thank you. and thank you all for being with us. we will see you again monday night right here at our new time, 7:00 p.m. eastern. there is so much more going on after the show "on the record" goes to gretawire.com where a lot happens. and, of course, bill o'reilly, the o'reilly factor is up next. we will see you monday night, 7:00 p.m. >>> hello and welcome to "red

. >> minor, g i o had identified that there risks -- that there -- gao had identified that there were risks that we took seriously. on thebriefed you potential security risks if the launch moved forward as planned? did anyone a brief you on the security risks? security on ad regular basis with the , but no oneeam suggested that the risks outweighed the importance of moving forward, including our independent evaluator, who made recommendations to cms as required. >> i have been suggesting that since april. you said you felt strongly that the launch needed to proceed on the first for the americans that did not have health insurance so that they could get coverage is soonest possible. how did you balance that need with the risk that those americans might then fall victim to identity theft or have their personal information compromised why security controls? by security controls? how did you balance that? i share your concerns about individual privacy. i would say that the site was developed with the highest standards in mind. it is certified by the federal standard and we took very serio

are you for me with the gao report from june of 2013? >> yes, i am. we future practices and on page -- the page number is not here. in one of the highlights here it said that if you have dealt with your dispositions on timelines the same way as the government-sponsored enterprises, both fannie and freddie, that you would've been able to save as much as $600 billion a year in your costs such as taxes, homeowner association fees, maintenance fees and others, and would increase their proceeds by up to $400 million. it's taken you about a year, taken in about 200 days to dispose of their reo real estate. tell you what you done with that to improve your performance going forward. i'm not here to blame you. i want to see how we're going to fix it. >> yes. so just to be clear, we changed how we do government contracting for those who take responsibilities because have you seen results from that that? >> me just give you one example. we now do and rtl alternate transition -- not requiring the property to come all the way back and enabling -- >> can ask consid

and how does congress get out of the way, and another bugaboo, gao. you can't do anything until technology readiness level six which means it's obsolete before it ever gets into the fleet. >> well, the first is, i think you're right. we contribute to the problem. and so the first thing is understand how we contribute to the problem. the beginning of finding solutions is understanding. secondly, i think it is a really good point, and i don't know if this analogy works or not, but, you know, wal-mart tolerates a certain percentage of -- what do they call it? shrinkage. because if the absolute prevented shoplifting from everyone other stores, they frisk you coming and going and it's not worth the cost. we're going to have to be at a point where we are willing to accept some amount of risk that somebody will do something they shouldn't do. but at the same time we have to have the transparency and accountability that goes with that in order to find it. so it's not micromanagement, but the accountability for the decisions that were made. you probably covere

and how does congress get out of the way and another bugaboo, gao, you can't do anything unless it's technology level six. which means it's obsolete before it ever gets into the fleet. the first is you're right. we contribute to the problem. how do we contribute to the problem. the first part of finding a solution is understanding. secondly, this is a good point. walmart tolerates a certain percentage of what do they call it? shrinkage. because if they absolutely prevented shoplifting from every one of the stores, they frisk you coming and going. it's in the cost. we have to accept some amount of risk that somebody will do something they shouldn't do. but at the same time, we have to have the transparency and the accountability that goes with that in order to find it. so not micromanagement, but the accountability for the decisions that were made. i can't recall the lady's name who worked in the army. she said she was astounded at how little decision making power that the program managers in the services actually have. versus outside. we have to empower them. understand there's risk

walker used to be the government's top accountant, the head of the government accountability office, the gao. he now heads the peter g. peterson foundation, which is a strong advocate for reducing government debt. he says that 85% of the health care bills are paid by the government or private insurers, not by patients themselves. in fact, most patients don't even look at the bills. does that make any sense? most things you buy, the customer has some impact. >> we have a system where everybody wants as much as they can get, and they don't understand the true cost of what they're getting. the one thing that could bankrupt america is out-of-control health care costs, and if we don't get them under control, that's where we're headed. >> as we'll see when 60 minutes on cnbc returns, patients with their family's support often find it easier to hope for medical miracles than to discuss how they want to die. [ male announcer ] what if a small company became big business overnight? ♪ like, really big... then expanded? ♪ or their new product tanked? ♪ or not? what if they embrace new technology instea

auditeve there was a gao that revealed the u.s. medical facilities that house those materials are still facing those challenges of securing their supplies from potential theft. director olson, i do not know if you have any thoughts you could give us, but what is the intelligence community's assessment of the likelihood that al qaeda would seek to acquire radiological materials in order to make a dirty bomb? i think what i can say in this setting is we have seen over time some degree of interest along those lines but nothing at this point that i would consider to be more than the most basic aspirational interest by a terrorist organization. i am not familiar with the report you referenced. >> practical me and secretary -- a director comey and secretary beers, what roles do your agencies play in preventing terrorists from building and potentially detonating a dirty bomb in the u.s.? what i should -- i could probably answer for both of us. we share responsibility. at the fbi, we execute through them weapons of mass destruction toector