gardha karmi. garda was born in jerusalem and forced from her home during the nakbar. she later trained as a medical doctor and established the first british palestinian medical charity in 1972. too, she was also associate fellow at the royal institute for international affairs and her books include the bestselling memoire in search of fatima. welcome to the show. let me start with you. i mean, you were forced out of palestine in 1948, went you, and then was the occupation of god and bank from far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the time of the first interfada? well, i had, of course, i had already become an activist follow. the 1967 war, because it was the first time i remember that began to understand what israel was about, and it was very clear to me from that day on that they were about was occupying the rest of palest. and that's what they wanted and the first father was so full, it was wonderful moment for all of us who had felt a kind of sense of despair as you living through the 70s in britain israel's becoming more and more acce