i told lynn garman at one point. i said, lynn, there may be tapes -- i was very ambiguous -- there may be tapes of my conversations with the president. there is a very numerous tape of colson and holliman with speculation i'm carrying my own tape recorder, and they go on at length about this, how i'm thin and i could have it in my pocket and they don't know, that so few people know of the taping system. which i didn't. and, of course as i later learned from sam dash, what happened is after i testified, they're doing everything on the minority side to discredit any line in my testimony. at one point a fellow by the name of sanders, a junior staffer, asked alex butterfield, who is one of many witnesses they're calling up, you know dean made a comment he believed he was taped in more than one conversation. that's probably absurd, isn't it, mr. butterfield? and butterfield said no, i don't believe it's absurd at all. as to the actual april 15th tape which was happening which would have been one of the great doosies of al