garrett haake could hear him out on the street, on the sidewalk. >> great work by garrett. >> but these ideas of how he is actually going to abolish these things, of course, he can't do it. every single thing he said he was going to do, the congress would have to somehow overcome a democratic filibuster. it's all impossible talk. but he, obviously, believes it's what those people want to hear. >> well, that's what i was going to point out, lawrence. i think, look, the ship of anti-government conservatism crashes whenever it starts -- whenever conservatives gain power and start trying to end departments or agencies. they just have not -- conservatives have not been able to do it, despite the reagan revolution, despite the eight years of george w. bush. and now mitt romney, who is the presumptive nominee for the republican party, during one of the most conservative lurches in the republican party's recent history, and he can't even publicly say that he wants to get rid of hud and downsize the department of education. so in some ways, i think that he has to whisper this to a room full of d

garrett haake was one of the two reporters who was there and actually overheard what went on inside. one of the things that he did is preview what he would cut. and he said things like housing and urban development which my dad was head of, might not be around later. so he was much more honest with these big dollar contributors than he has been publicly what would be on the chopping block. >> first of all, props to garrett haake for careful listening. you can never underestimate the importance of that in reporting. but yeah, i mean, i think what you're seeing here is ha romney has been very resistant it out really saying much of what he would do if he wins the white house. why? because they want to try to keep the focus 100% on what barack obama has done while in the house, andrea. i think at some point as we get closer to the election, there's going to be a demand for okay, well, let's say you get elected president in a month or two months, what are the things you'll do. we'll see more fleshing out at that point. the romney campaign essentially say he was spitballing ideas. this is

we're told by our folks garrett haake covering the campaign it's closer to 10 to 15. rooz o am. i ulueou bil ow quklto f hh l alie people. i think senator portman is on the list, senator rubio, i suspect governor pawlenty is probably on the list and probably several others but only mitt romney and beth myers know. they're the only ones that are going to know till this summer. >> does he have to get more bud riceovni peen, bit peen, ngssnaexricealf thabe. t some would say. >> you're doing well making the case. >> some would say it's too much plain vanilla. >> first of all, carrying ohio by a big margin as he did when he ran for senator is exciting to me. but you know, i've heard that argument we need to pizazz up the ticket. i look at the history of presidential races. i don't think that has very often worked very etota is geral adniraonhiwo othe ymcs he rll intie tant anpu it to work r him. whoever we pick is going to be an extraordinary choice. >> what about the fact that four years ago, he said to the associated press, mitt romney said it's not worth moving heaven and earth an

we were calling all last night and our garrett haake was there talking to them.ey said that divisive language is not a good thing. and now today, ted nugent has acknowledged this was on glenn beck's radio show. give a listen. >> yeah, we actually have heard from the secret service and they have a duty and i salute them. i support them. and i'm looking forward to our meeting tomorrow. i'm sure it will be a fine gathering backstage in oklahoma. >> so they are taking you seriously. >> you have a meeting tomorrow? >> yes. >> so ted nugent is going to talk to the secret service tomorrow. it's not a formal investigation we are told by the secret service. they're just following up on the violent things that he said at the nra convention. where do we go from here? >> i think this is not going to go away for mitt romney. on the one hand, the democrats were looking to get away from the rosen controversy of last week which became a much bigger deal because president obama weighed in on it. once you have the secret service speaking to noou gent it guarantees this is going to

we're told by our folks garrett haake covering the campaign it's closer to 10 to 15. who should be at the top of the list? >> there's only two people that really know, that's governor romney himself and beth myers his most trusted aide who he has put in charge of this and who can be trusted to be completely confidential. everybody else is kind of guessing. had there's probably a dozen or so names. i would guess you boil it down quickly to a few high lie qualified people. i think senator portman is on the list, senator rubio, i suspect governor pawlenty is probably on the list and probably several others but only mitt romney and beth myers know. they're the only ones that are going to know till this summer. >> does he have to get more exciting than rob portman? i'm told rob portman should be at the top of the list because of ohio, because of budget experience, governing experience, cabinet experience, congressional experience, all of the above. but some would say. >> you're doing well making the case. >> some would say it's too much plain vanilla. >> first of all, carr