please join me in welcoming garry wills back to politics and prose. [applause] >> i have been coming here for a long time. i always love to and my audiences are always intelligent. what is not to like about pope francis? he disappoints catholic individuals like me but he scares the socks off with conservatives. they have reacted with panic and no wonder. it is a bit disorienting to have a pope who is actually a christian. [laughter] some on the right reassure themselves that he is changing the tone of catholicism but not its doctrine. and for them religion is just doctrine. if you do not call the right doctrines you cannot be a catholic so since the pope is a catholic though some are beginning to hesitate about that he must hold all the right doctrines. the only thing he can changes the tone. rather than tone i would prefer to talk about changing the culture of religion. the ethos of believing as a matter not only of the head of the heart. as he told his jesuit interviewers the structural organizational reforms are secondary. the first reform must be

garry: he did not want to put the church through that again. charlie: do you have some hope that francis wille able to be a powerful force in making sure we don't slide into some kind of clash of civilizations or religious wars? garry: on that, he knows and admires muslims. he praises the koran. he knows there is only one god and there are many paths to god. the holy spirit works in them all. he said the holy spirit does not only work through us. he has not forgotten. charlie: is mohammed equivalent to jesus? garry: they are both prophets. jesus is more than a prophet. he is god, too, which mohammed is not. the muslims all agree that moses was a great prophet, jesus was a great prophet and mohammed was a great prophet, but not god. that is where we do differ. nonetheless, for us to believe that jesus is god does not separate us from people who think he was not god, but a prophet. spirit works through that prophet, too. charlie: why is jesus god? garry: because he said so, for one thing. others said so. i like that the fact that jesus wanted to join us. why did he -- norman mailer said i canno

garry wills who is a brilliant catholic intellectual born in atlanta raised in wisconsin has a seminaryin st. louis. he works for bill buckley and that's the end of the journey. >> he does other things but he had to be released from his vows when he decided to become a journalist instead. one doesn't have the sense from wills memoirs and he has written to memoirs a lot about his own journey that he was someone who was seeking as a journalist sought out wide diverse experiences but not necessarily as a religious man. it's interesting neuhaus got there early and you kind of suggest in the book he had almost an intuitive sense for where the cultural and political action was. >> he really could sniff out the action figure a way to get there. one of his phrases that he was obsessed about in his early writings was he was obsessed with intellectuals who could ment and market the metaphors that shaped public consciousness. clearly he wanted to be one of these guys but he complained about everyone else he could do that. visibility was to identify at any given moment, let's say the antiwar moveme

garry wills considers the perspc0vh]t in his new book the future of the catholic church with pope francis's a professor at north western university and i'm pleased to him back at this table. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: you like this pope. >> i like him a lot of. although he's disappointing many of us liberals which i think is his job. what's nice about him is that he learned so much as a provincial of the jesuits and archbishop you. what made me like him he said i was wrong i was a terrible provincial because i didn't hold people together by consultation. he said i was immature they put me in too soon and that was crazy. >> rose: look at himself with a certain -- >> yes. and he knows that he has to listen to other people, not just dictate to other people. what i like about him is that he is disappointing liberals but he's driving the conservatives crazy. which is probably good too. >> rose: because he won't go as far as liberals would like for him to go. >> right and fast enough and to do things like the sex abuse scandals. he won't join the other factions. he won't join thetxithey're

will ask the pro side to speak first. vladimir, you've got two minutes to reflect on what you've heard from anne and garry, then we will hearrom the other side. vladimir: do i remain seated? >> walk, take a stroll if you like. vladimir: the problem is for me that the majority of people in this audience don't know much about russia or the ukraine. you can say anything. billions and billions, you've got to be kidding. it is not true. billions and billions were not invested. what was invested was invested to make money. putin's cronies. why are they cronies? why are they not his comrades? this is all about the wording. this is not about the facts. if indeed the ukraine had nuclear missiles, can you imagine what we would have? there would be nobody left to play it. thank heavens they do not have missiles in that country. and the fewer missiles that there are in the world the better it will be. so, i am not going to get into this, you said this wrong, nitpicking kind of stuff. to me, the really basic thing is do we want a russia that is pushed out of everything doing whatever it is doing, in no way answering for what it does, no

will ask the pro side to speak first. vladimir vladimir, you have two minutes to reflect on what you have heard from anne and from garry and then i will go to you stephen after and we'll hear from the other side. >> do i remain seated? >> it's up to you. >> you can stand sit -- take a stroll if you'd like. >> the problem is for me that the majority of people in this audience, if we're honest really don't know much about russia or the ukraine. and so you can say anything. billions and billions? you've got to be kidding. it's not true. billions and billions were not invested, and what was invested was invested to make money. all of these things -- putin's cronies, why are they cronies? why are they not his comrades? i mean, this is all about the wording. it's not about the facts. the facts that we hear. if, indeed, ukraine had nuclear missiles can you imagine what kind of a chess game we'd have? there would be nobody left to play it. is that what we're looking for? thank heavens they don't have missiles in that country, and the fewer missiles there are in the world the better it's going to be. so i'm not going to get into th

cooler side this morning for much of the bay area garry for worker school biology are warming up the lower 60s for coastal locations. the coastal peninsula will continue ceylon the cooler temperatures in the mid- 60s. now bay locations warmer upper 60s in your '70's for the bear on lunchtime. coming up in the mid-70s and for the easter egg yolk with warmer temperatures for in the locations mid-70s turn the lunch hour. much for profits aside and in locations temperatures quickly heating up in the mid-80s. coming up more on the storm check for seven day weekend forecast. with look and traffic. my turn the right here on one 01 northbound. hotspot and the commute slow now coming out of the south bay. appall auto. >> george: tax that will route chp only moments ago clearing the right hand lane and sacked issued a special alert for the sakhalin remains what for salon. again though just clear this is a completely now all lanes are open and slowest traffic you find this morning around the bay area. here is the bay bridge and a slowing at all for a ride on interstate 80 in the westbound direction. the backup was not even reached the 80 over crossing y

wills and living trusts. so when you're ready start with us. doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here. >>> welcome back. if you don't know garry his work. he is the pulitzer prize-winning cartoonist and the creator of the comic trip doonesbury. earlier this month, you may have heard about him for a different reason. while accepting the george polke award he criticized some of the work that appeared in the french magazine "charlie hebdo." they were victims of a terror attack in january this year. he said the cartoons wandered into the realm of hate speech. i started asking him about those comments and whether as some critics alleged about him, he felt the victims were to blame for the tragedy. >> oh, not at all. i think perhaps i should have made it clear i was as outraged as the rest of the world at the time. i mourn them deeply. we are a very small fraternity of political cartoonists around the globe. i created a tribute page to them on a sunday section in which i included the work of all five cartoonists including their signatures and main characters. what i didn't do is necessarily agree with the decisions they made that br

garry and anne applebaum. this is one hour and 35 minutes. to debate current issues. this is an hour and a half. ♪ >> we created colonialism. we created fascism. we created communism. >> your arguments willtotally destroyed. >> is it possible to actually complete a sentence? >> you come back and you are rattled. >> it saves the bleeding heart from somebody else. >> they don't know what the hell to say but you have to say something. >> it makes us object in a cruel experiment and over us is a celestial dictatorship. the kind of divine north korea. >> the question is are men obsolete? the answer to this question is no i want you -- what you believe this. we are going 50/50 on this. >> we are in house of commons. >>> so what, who cares. >> show me the word pretext. >> you can keep screaming that and it doesn't change the point. >> barack obama has systematically rebuilt the trust of the world of the security security council and other situations. >> you must not talk to any of our allies in order to believe that. >> we are all in this of the united states can pull itself out by running a trade surplus unless we can find another planet to sell to. >> are we really prepared to say if you are

garris sa garrissa sits on one of the longest fault lines, the christians population to the south and largely muslim population to the north. >> our forefathers bled and died for this nation. we willything to defend our way of life. >> reporter: meanwhile, kenya's interior minister identifying another attacker this man, abdu lal abduuhalli. his father says his son has been missing since 2013 while working for a bank and the ministry says he disappeared in somalia last year. >> reporter: i think it's important when we use phrases "mastermind" they are using the most basic means to kill as many people as possible. back to you. >> the terrorist al shabaab is no surprise to u.s. officials. they have been working on it for years. now does the u.s. strategy need tweak tweaking. barbara starr is live. hi. >> reporter: good morning. the military helicopter raids, all of it has gone into the raised in shabab in somalia in recent years. there has been limited success getting the leaders. in kenya, al shabaab very active under this leadership we've seen attack the university. the top military talked about the strength of shabab. general david rodriguez testify testifying before congress said