>> garver: oh, of course. i mean, nasa is capable of more than they-- they realize. >> whitaker: now, considering all you have told me, will congress let nasa make that shift? >> garver: probably not. >> whitaker: for the moment, the core stage for the first "artemis" mission sits in a test stand in mississippi, the same stand used for the "apollo" missions. it's awaiting a test-firing, after technical glitches cut the first one short. >> test director: and we got a shutdown. >> whitaker: there are six american flags on the moon, one for each "apollo" landing. but the newest flag there is chinese, left last year by a robotic lander that collected samples and brought them back to earth. beijing eventually plans to send astronauts. aren't we in a space race with china? >> garver: there is not a race to go to the moon. we won it. we won it six times. and i have no doubt that we will be back again, with people, before anyone else goes. >> whitaker: and charlie blackwell-thompson will be the woman to launch them, f