we wondered what richard garwin would think of the defense department's appraisal.e experiments leave no doubt that anomalous excess heat is produced." >> well, that's a statement. >> you just don't buy that. >> well, i am living proof that there's doubt. now, they can say that excess heat is being produced, but they can't say there's no doubt. all they can say is, they don't doubt, but i doubt. >> if you asked me, "is this gonna have any impact on our energy policy?" it's impossible to say, because we don't fundamentally understand the process yet. but to say that we don't fundamentally understand the process and that's why we're not gonna study it is like saying i'm too sick to go to the doctor. >> you know, i wonder how you feel about going public, endorsing this phenomenon on 60 minutes when maybe 90%, i'm guessing, of your colleagues think that it's crackpot science. >> i certainly was among those 90% before i looked at the data. and i can see where they'll be very concerned when they see this piece. all i have to say is, read the published results, talk to the