that is jonathan capehart and gary abernathy, both columnists for the "washington post."s is away. jonathan i want to start with some news that former vice president pence made today. he made a speech, a lot of people were watching to see what he would say. and what caught our attention is, he said president trump is wrong to say that he could have overturned the results of the 2020 election. he said it's time to turn to the future. what does this say about the state of the republican party when you also have what, the republican national committee today censuring liz cheney and adam kinsinger working on the january 6th investigative committee? >> capehart: judy, it shows that the republican party is undergoing a huge crisis. in various forms over the last year with less heat than he did today but saying inflate-out that donald trump is wrong and that vice president then vice president pence had no ability, no power whatsoever, to overturn the will of the american people, is the clearest break we have seen between the two. and it says to me that the former vice president

judy: gary abernathy, an identity crisis as jonathan said? most of what jonathan said. i think that is right. you know, there has been a lot of talk lately about, what does the republican study -- party stand for? i wrote a piece last week saying you don't need to figure that out this year, except that it needs to spend 2020 two divorcing itself from donald trump, slowly but surely. i think pence, i have always admired him for saying what he has said. he said very strongly today, i think the party is wrong to try to discipline liz cheney and adam kinzinger. i think that is a mistake. i think that the party is slowly but surely trying to -- there are more and more people -- i disagree with jonathan on one thing. i think they have a chance to peel away some folks, you know? from people have to give mike pence a lot of credit for the role he played in helping donald trump in his successes as president, but yeah, there is no doubt the republican party is trying to figure out what it is going to be going forward, and i think as time goes by, they

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