brenda: gary b -- >> not everyone pays taxes but the wealthiest 5%. brenda: gary b, reassessing and reorganizing is where mark says we are getting it. >> all that $200 billion in fraud savings that we should have been saving before but we will wait for the new baucus plan to clean up that. here is what i don't understand. you have an example right here in the u.s., three states are doing it -- tennessee, massachusetts and one other -- use massachusetts as an example and see what has happened there. they already have rationing, wait times have doubled in a lot of specialties like ob-gyn. there are 30% overbudget. they are raising taxes across the board on alcohol, tobacco and things like that. premiums are rising 30% faster than the national average. so, mark, if these are anning of the great things that will happen with nationalized healthcare i wasn't wait. -- i can't wait. >> you are missing a lot of things or you are avoiding certain things. rationing happens already. people say we will have rationing with the public option. how do the insurance co

so, gary b, you found some middle class tax hikes in this plan? >> no, i did not. there are trax gouges. if a person has to go out and buy the government-mandated insurance: let's say you just graduated from college and make $26,000 a year, so you have to pay 14% of your income. let's say you graduate with a master's, 15%. family of four, you make $54,000, 18% of your income! that's in addition to all the other taxes, cap and trade and all that stuff. you might as well hand your paycheck over to the government. >> do you agree? >> not at all. there is nothing to suggest that the middle class will pay any taxes on it, one, and two, if they did, it would be political suicide because anyone who supported it in congress would not get re-elected. look at baucus bill and the congressional budget office says it will cover 94% of costs and lessen the deficit over time. >> those things conveniently go into effect after the next presidential election. toby, she says there is no middle class tax cuts. >> if you get a health healthcare plan from your employer and you pay a $5

gary gensler on the website. the last call comes from tennessee on the line for democrats. caller: it is big money and creeks and liars. i worked on the b-1 bomber. we knew when we voted that it was just a bunch of junk, but it was big money. we had people on the payroll seven days per week, 24 hours per day. things come sam. -- host: >> going live now to the house of representatives. member is expected to vote on three bills that debated earlier today. that will consider a $3 billion energy program for the sale of hybrid vehicles and engine turbines. also, remitting private lenders from making -- removing private lenders from making federalese subsidize student loans. that is coming up later in the week. a publisher and editor and chief of 12 books will discuss his work with senator ted kennedy on mr. kennedy's memoir. that is tomorrow morning on "washington journal," starting at 9:15 a.m. eastern time. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, proceedings will resume on motions to suspend the rules previously postponed. votes will be taken ined to thing -- following order. house resolution 6