go ahead, gary b. >> exactly. i want someone to walk through and say, we gave all the millions of billions, in fact, the country is likenee enneer i can't -- nigeria, somalia, across the board. what are we gting by giving money to kenya, for example? i mean, yeah, look, i'm all in favor if they have problems there and stuff like that, support children. but is there a cost-benefit ever done or just we feel we have this big deep pockets, which we don't anymore, and we can just fritter this money away? there is no getting back to the point -- there is no accountability. >> neil: stefan? >> you raised an interesting notion, liz, which is get these countries to trade with you. getting them trading with you makes it valuable to them. but i think we are doing that. you look at what the imf does. a lot of the programs that they do with some of these countries are really designed to coax them towards free markets, to let them trade with us more. so i'm not so sure we're not doing a lot of what you're already talking about.

me saying, well, i was going to fly this week and now i'm not going to fly and delta then saying, gary bsmith didn't fly that week, that's costing us. i think the whole thing is silly. >> first up, gary we knew you weren't going to fly anywhere, anytime. >> true. >> neil: you happen to live in the d.c. area and you know that, for instance, u.s. air has a hub at national airport and yes, about 4 to 8% of their traffic is related to the government. period of time direct or indirect and military by the way, let's not forget that. u.s. air, basically, the numbers have been going up, i'm using the graphic here, until they got to that point. delta, that's a bunch of malarky, delta tried to raise the trees and they've blown up. you know who did well? you know, southwest, was taking flights from baltimore, and you know, that's-- >> and delta says that some of its fair hikes were hurting things as well. can you stick up for the airlines here? >> no, absolutely not. and someone who buys tickets at the last minute a lot, i cannot stand the way they try to gouge us last minute flyers and that's what

that's the thing, gary b.t's like shoot now, ask questions later. >> why are we surprised when the government does something, whether it's obamacare or this, there's unintended consequences. my gosh, you mean, they don't have the powers to look in the future and figure out what happened? toby got a right, the banks are acting rationally. what is irrandall, ttional and lousy ones gail and the others survive with growth. and instead this is a screw nup this will probably get worse. >> it's not rational to use our money to pay back to your money? >> first, that was a little-- they're doing the same stuff. look, it's hard to it bail out banks and not make them rich along the way and prevent them from going out of business. and like it's going in a bad direction if we didn't do this. should we have made more money? definitely. look the at the stock prices and the banks and the bailouts. taxpayers should have made hundreds of billions in this deal and we gave them loans, and that was a bad deal, but better than doin

gary b? >> no, no, i'm in agreement with jonathan you should watch the stock price. i don't like airlines right now, i think oil is you know going to keep going up. but, we agree in principle. charles: great when two smart guys don't agree, topic number two, customer suffering bone fatigue. apple may be thinking so. mark zuckerberg rumored to add a facebook phone to the already crowded phone market, jonathan you say a new smartphone may be good but gary b not so sure. >> it will be i think good are in zuck, and will good for us, over half of adults, look at their smartphone before they look at their spouse every morning, you know, i don't think we're suffering cell phone fatigue, we're suffering salvation, you know, it is about time someone else pick up the reins, it was motorola, then nokia, then apple, and samsung, facebook has hundreds of billions satisfy customers. i think they will do a badg banp job. charles: gary? >> i think this is goofiest thing, i can understand motorola and samsung, they are hardware. i can see apple on tv, but this is like bloomingdale's

to gary b. smith, jah, john, along with stefan, welcome, everybody.me to cut off foreign aid to countries that hate us and use it to keep us safe here at home instead? >> absolutely, liz you always got to look at kind of the cost-benefit. we spend $40 billion a year on foreign aid. but you look down the list of countries, i mean, my gosh,

to gary b. smith, jonah, john, along with stefan, welcome, everybody.down the list of countries, i mean, my gosh, until recently, we were giving

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b.'s he is a professor of economics and finance and shenandoah university and in london we crossed the felicity gary she is an international criminal barrister and media commentator on cross talk rules in effect i mean you can jump any time you want felicity what is the lasting legacy of her she's buried today well to me. she's a terrible disappointment but she had great power. great responsibility i think that might be a quote from spiderman but it's not funny that we're now suffering the lack of say of her policies decades ago that cripple the country ok matthew jump in agree or disagree with that. i'm going to have to disagree with that peter and i figured you were actually was a revolutionary both on the right. she was a revolutionary figure in politics on both the right and the left she had the courage to stand up to this keynesian consensus that it dominated politics since the one nine hundred fifty s. that it caused runaway inflation wildcat strikes throughout the u.k. and europe. she her legacy was enduring and especially in so far as john major her successor and tony blair also her successo

we have a distinguished legal panel including gary who have bauer and mike ga d/b/a ugh talking aboutications to the wto i will chair the lunch panel with the deputy governor of the bank of canada, the deputy governor of the bank of brazil. and ben of the ecb and as well as our own robert zoellick talking about the tensions in the currency field. this is the place to just come spend a day tomorrow as well as today. but leaving that aside, where do you see the currency wars playing in this forecast, dave? >> basically i would expect, you know, the dollar maybe to firm somewhat over the first half, 3/4 of this year but then move sideways in nominal terms, given inflation differentials. probably some decline in the real dollar over the course of the next three years. that's part of what is providing as i indicated in 2014, 2015, a little bit of an upward impetus from external, from the external second, to. some of that is pickup in activity and some of that's small decline in the real value of the dollar. but, i'm not really anticipating any sharp or marked movement in the overall broad

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