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and gary collins has been convicted of the other charges. we will have more at 5:00 and 6:00 tonight. >> thank you. two suspects charged in what officials say the largest drug bust in baltimore county history are now free on bond. they were arrested earlier this week after police discovered an extensive marijuana growing operation at the warehouse in east point. the warehouse contained plants and processed marijuana valued at $35 million. >> at the moment, it looks like the potential maximum sentence would be 10 years, but we are really examining the statutes and the quantity to see if we can do a little bit better than that. >> both suspects face charges. baltimore city police are touting an impressive drug bust on their own. after obtaining a search warrant, investigators found crack, a gun, and $15,000 at the suspect's home. he remains at central booking this afternoon. an annapolis high school student faces several charges, including a first-degree sex offense. police arrested 17-year-old troy reid. authorities say it happened last frida
and gary collins has been convicted of the other charges. we will have more at 5:00 and 6:00 tonight. >> thank you. two suspects charged in what officials say the largest drug bust in baltimore county history are now free on bond. they were arrested earlier this week after police discovered an extensive marijuana growing operation at the warehouse in east point. the warehouse contained plants and processed marijuana valued at $35 million. >> at the moment, it looks like the...
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gary collins, charles mcganey, jerome williams all face robbery and murder charges. >> we are learning more about last week's deadly bus accident. joseph clabaugh, u died of a heart attack. passengers noted he was sweating before passed out. 12 passengers were injured when the bus rolled down an embankment. amtrak is investigating a deadly accident in the middle river. one person was killed on eastern avenue. 125 passengers were on board at the time. >> elijah cummings is calling for a moratorium on all foreclosures in maryland. the governor has joined the fight after three companies announced a moratorium. we have details. >> our budget was more than what he was bringing in. i did a refinance with a bad company. >> beverly and her husband are frustrated and scared. they can lose the house they cherished for more than 20 years. >> we have never had problems. you think your mortgage company will help you if you have been a good customer. >> this is one example as how the -- some are trying to help. three major companies announced a moratorium on foreclosures in 23 sta
gary collins, charles mcganey, jerome williams all face robbery and murder charges. >> we are learning more about last week's deadly bus accident. joseph clabaugh, u died of a heart attack. passengers noted he was sweating before passed out. 12 passengers were injured when the bus rolled down an embankment. amtrak is investigating a deadly accident in the middle river. one person was killed on eastern avenue. 125 passengers were on board at the time. >> elijah cummings is calling...
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charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams are accused of gunning down harris back in 2008.faced 29 charges each including conspiracy charges. today marks the beginning of america's 10th year of involvement in the war in afghanistan. the taliban is in talks with the government, possibly to end the aggression in anticipation of a u.s. pullout next year. 1200 americans have been killed and more than $900 billion has been spent. >> that brings us to your answers to our water cooler question of the day. >> this morning we asked -- nine years later, has the u.s. involvement in afghanistan accomplished anything? >> we will post more of your answers on the front page of wbaltv.com. >> now traffic pulse 11 and insta-weather plus together. >> good morning. we have a closer look at your morning commute. getting busy in terms of delays. one location that is looking at delay because of an accident cleanup. washington and mlk, there is an accident. 23 miles per hour on the outer loop west side beginning at 795. that will back up traffic on southbound 795. harford county, an accident loca
charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams are accused of gunning down harris back in 2008.faced 29 charges each including conspiracy charges. today marks the beginning of america's 10th year of involvement in the war in afghanistan. the taliban is in talks with the government, possibly to end the aggression in anticipation of a u.s. pullout next year. 1200 americans have been killed and more than $900 billion has been spent. >> that brings us to your answers to our water cooler...
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. >> reporter: jurors found a third defendant gary collins not guilty of the murder but guilty of gun charges. >> i would have thought if they found him not guilty of the felony murder that they would have found him not guilty to the felonies attached to the murder. i guess not. >> reporter: prosecutors relied heavily on d number a evidence including that found on the discarded halloween mask. the case was a bitter sweet victory for pat jessamy. >> we are pleased that this tragic chapter has been closed. >> reporter: harris served on the city council eight years, after a failed run for council president. >> this is a message to the criminals of baltimore city that they can just not get away with murdering someone and think that they're going to walk away free. >> reporter: attorneys for all of the defendants vowed to appeal the verdict. >> they ultimately agreed on a verdict, but i do think that some of the jurors in their heart of hearts were not satisfied with the outcome. >> reporter: the jurors said little as they left the courthouse, flanked by sheriff's deputies. one is glad it'
. >> reporter: jurors found a third defendant gary collins not guilty of the murder but guilty of gun charges. >> i would have thought if they found him not guilty of the felony murder that they would have found him not guilty to the felonies attached to the murder. i guess not. >> reporter: prosecutors relied heavily on d number a evidence including that found on the discarded halloween mask. the case was a bitter sweet victory for pat jessamy. >> we are pleased that...
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. >> charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams faced 29 charges each. no one is sure whether it the deadlock is over the first or last charges. >> they may have gotten to the rest of the case or not. it is anybody's guess. >> the defendants, lawyers, and prosecutors were in the room as the judge read the jury their instructions again and sent them back into deliberations. it is a waiting game for the defendants and everyone involved. >> they are waiting patiently with complete faith in the jury. >> deliberations will continue for a fourth day tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. >> thank you. the u.s. supreme court heard an emotionally charged case that could redefine the first amendment right of free speech. it involves the westborough baptist protest of the funeral of a marine. gary collins was in the courtroom. >> this case has deep emotional reactions so strong nearly every state in the union has passed laws to curb these types of tactics. to claim the title of united states marine ♪ >> supporters stood vigil outside the supreme court building, waving signs toutin
. >> charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams faced 29 charges each. no one is sure whether it the deadlock is over the first or last charges. >> they may have gotten to the rest of the case or not. it is anybody's guess. >> the defendants, lawyers, and prosecutors were in the room as the judge read the jury their instructions again and sent them back into deliberations. it is a waiting game for the defendants and everyone involved. >> they are waiting...
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charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams each faced 29 charges in the robbery at the haven lounge. a baltimore city jury has awarded a 23-year-old woman nearly $21 million. the jury found that marie carter suffered lead poisoning while living in a house on baltimore city. the case was based on circumstantial evidence. the award will be reduced because of the state's credit $50,000 cap on non-economic damages. -- $350,000 cap on non-economic damages. today marks the beginning of the 10th year of the war in afghanistan. president obama pledges to bring to start -- to start bringing it to an end of the beginning of next year. >> for families who have lost loved ones in afghanistan, this is another sad anniversary, filled with questions about what has become america's longest war. president obama marked the ninth year of war by honoring robert miller, who died two years ago defending his comrades. >> they heard his voice. he had been hit. still, he kept calling out the enemy positions. >> his parents said never believed in the mission. >> he believed he was working for a -- bel
charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams each faced 29 charges in the robbery at the haven lounge. a baltimore city jury has awarded a 23-year-old woman nearly $21 million. the jury found that marie carter suffered lead poisoning while living in a house on baltimore city. the case was based on circumstantial evidence. the award will be reduced because of the state's credit $50,000 cap on non-economic damages. -- $350,000 cap on non-economic damages. today marks the beginning of the...
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. >> those charges facing gary collins and jerome williams include first-degree murder and conspiracy to rob with a dangerous weapon. >>> a suspicious murder in laurel. they found him in cranberry road. he had apparent trauma to his upper body.$♪ anybody with information is urged to call crime stoppers. >>> baltimore county police have arrested these men accused of stabbing a man, brandon goforth and roland clayton are charged with assault with a dangerous weapon and robbery. they standed andre wright at the mall. they tried to rob him earlier in the day and later when andre wright saw the suspects inside the mall he saw a fight breakout and andre wright was stabbed. >>> mario is charged with assaulting his mother early this morning. r&b singer mario barrett and his mother got into an argument and the sinker pushed his mother. now the mother told police she hit her head on the wall and feared for her life. march -- r&b singer mario barrett is charged with second degree a salt. >>> if you are pulled over you could be fined $45 and $100 for the secondary one. you have to be committing s
. >> those charges facing gary collins and jerome williams include first-degree murder and conspiracy to rob with a dangerous weapon. >>> a suspicious murder in laurel. they found him in cranberry road. he had apparent trauma to his upper body.$♪ anybody with information is urged to call crime stoppers. >>> baltimore county police have arrested these men accused of stabbing a man, brandon goforth and roland clayton are charged with assault with a dangerous weapon and...
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. >> gary collins, and jerome williams, and charles mcganey of face murder charges. they are hoping that jurors will agree that surveillance video and dna evidence investigators found on latex gloves and a bandana will prove the three and committed the crime. >> is tough. you are not sure if one juror asked the question or if it was a consensus. i agree that it does seem to lend it to our belief that they may be questioning whether mr. williams was the shooter. yet he does not have a gun in the bar. the navy reconciling how those two differences add up. it is good they are discussing these things. they have questions as to whether the testimony is actually supported by the viet -- by the video. >> the jury will be back tomorrow morning to continue deliberations. reporting live, barry simms, wbal-tv 11 news. >> the police officer killed in a single car accident was laid to rest this morning. fowler was killed in an accident in pennsylvania last week. he had been on the force for 30 years. investigators say the bus that crashed last week on interstate 270 in the bethes
. >> gary collins, and jerome williams, and charles mcganey of face murder charges. they are hoping that jurors will agree that surveillance video and dna evidence investigators found on latex gloves and a bandana will prove the three and committed the crime. >> is tough. you are not sure if one juror asked the question or if it was a consensus. i agree that it does seem to lend it to our belief that they may be questioning whether mr. williams was the shooter. yet he does not have...
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the juror apparently did not believe another defendant, gary collins, was guilty. their surveillance video shows two men wearing bandannas and another wearing a mask entering the jazz club immediately after harris was shot. they robbed the place and then run down a hallway, exiting out a back door. the prosecutor argued all three of men conspired to commit robbery and all were equally guilty for what happened. >> i honestly believe that it was something that occurred only at the moment. >> this is one of the largest and most high-profile cases because of the fact that canada was a city councilman --kenneth was a city councilman. we all felt it very deeply, but we do feel all of the losses. >> only one juror commented, saying i am glad it's over. the defense attorneys said his client is disappointed, but it is clear juror struggled with the case. >> i watched the whole panel while the jury was being rendered. there was clearly descension. that ultimately agreed on the verdict, but i do think that some of the jurors were not satisfied with the outcome. >> prosecutors
the juror apparently did not believe another defendant, gary collins, was guilty. their surveillance video shows two men wearing bandannas and another wearing a mask entering the jazz club immediately after harris was shot. they robbed the place and then run down a hallway, exiting out a back door. the prosecutor argued all three of men conspired to commit robbery and all were equally guilty for what happened. >> i honestly believe that it was something that occurred only at the moment....
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the jury did not believe another defendant, gary collins, fired the fatal shot. collins was acquitted of murder but was found guilty of conspiracy, assault, and gun violations. the surveillance video shows two men wearing bandannas at another wearing a mask entering the jazz club immediately after harris was shot. they robbed the place and then ran down a hallway, a sitting out a back door. the prosecutor argued all three men conspired to commit a robbery and all three were equally guilty for everything it happen. >> i honestly believe there was not a conspiracy to kill mr. harris. i believe it was something that occurred only at the moment. >> this is one of the largest and most high-profile cases because of the fact that canada's was a city councilman. jakekenneth with a city councilman. we all feel it very deeply. >> one juror, and it, saying i am glad is over. it is clear jurors struggled with the case. >> what i watched was the whole panel, while the verdict was being rendered. it took up to a half-hour. there was clearly descension. that ultimately agreed on
the jury did not believe another defendant, gary collins, fired the fatal shot. collins was acquitted of murder but was found guilty of conspiracy, assault, and gun violations. the surveillance video shows two men wearing bandannas at another wearing a mask entering the jazz club immediately after harris was shot. they robbed the place and then ran down a hallway, a sitting out a back door. the prosecutor argued all three men conspired to commit a robbery and all three were equally guilty for...
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the three defendants, charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams face three charges related tourder in september 2008. attorneys do not know whether the jury has already reached a verdict on the other charges or not. >> they may not have gotten to the rest of the case or they may have already decided. >> in the first days of deliberation, the jury asked a number of questions. on wednesday, nothing but the message that they are deadlocked. the judge responded byre- reading their instructions and sending them back into deliberation, reminding them that they are the judges of the fact. the three defendants and everyone else in the courtroom are waiting to see if they can reach a unanimous verdict. >> i think all three gentlemen are waiting patiently. they have complete faith in the jury. >> the jury will continue deliberations at 9:00 tomorrow morning. live downtown, wbal-tv 11 news. >> our i-team is asking "what is the secret?" is the baltimore city councilman trying to score political points without calling it what it is? jane miller has the details. >> even the political consul
the three defendants, charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams face three charges related tourder in september 2008. attorneys do not know whether the jury has already reached a verdict on the other charges or not. >> they may not have gotten to the rest of the case or they may have already decided. >> in the first days of deliberation, the jury asked a number of questions. on wednesday, nothing but the message that they are deadlocked. the judge responded byre- reading...
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they found gary collins the third defendant not guilty on murder charges. as jurors left the courthouse one juror told me she was glad it was over. another was visibly upset with tearr of come from her eyes. it was back in 2008 when harris was shot and killed outside the new haven lounge. this foot annual just released today shows what happened inside the bar after the shooting. also captured on surveillance were the last moments of harris's life. widow reacted to the verdict saying she was pleased 2 out of the 3 defendants were convicted. >> we still feel that justice was served and this will not bring him back so that's the pain that we'll have to live with for the rest of our lives. this is a message to the criminals of baltimore city that they can just not get away with murder. >>reporter: defense attorney say they do plan to appeal. sentencing is scheduled for the 19th of this month. the defendants face possible life sentences. joy news at 5:30. the. >> all right joy. see more of the never before seen surveillance video from the night ken harris was ki
they found gary collins the third defendant not guilty on murder charges. as jurors left the courthouse one juror told me she was glad it was over. another was visibly upset with tearr of come from her eyes. it was back in 2008 when harris was shot and killed outside the new haven lounge. this foot annual just released today shows what happened inside the bar after the shooting. also captured on surveillance were the last moments of harris's life. widow reacted to the verdict saying she was...
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gary collins jerome williams and charles mcgain he all face counts on more than 2 dozen crimes connected to the 2008 robbery of the new haven lounge where he was killed. the jury has been ordered to continue deliberating. >>> . >> let's take a look at our harbor cam downtown and bottom line yeah more gray skies today. that was the situation. but as we work into the afternoon we saw some sunshine, and i think you're going to like what happens tomorrow. we'll see a lot more sun out and about. 57 degrees right now at bwi we got 57 in frederick. cool night on the way no doubt about that but an early look at your neighborhood forecast tomorrow low 70s across the boards including highlands west port. it takes a while to get there. cool start warming up into the afternoon and setting the stage for a fantastic columbus day weekend. we'll breakdown that weekend forecast in detail coming up. >> thanks a lot wyatt. change is copping to the city of aberdeen in lots of way new residents coming in with plaque emergeing crime change has also come to the police department as jeff hager reports tonight c
gary collins jerome williams and charles mcgain he all face counts on more than 2 dozen crimes connected to the 2008 robbery of the new haven lounge where he was killed. the jury has been ordered to continue deliberating. >>> . >> let's take a look at our harbor cam downtown and bottom line yeah more gray skies today. that was the situation. but as we work into the afternoon we saw some sunshine, and i think you're going to like what happens tomorrow. we'll see a lot more sun out...
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judge that they had been unable to agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins jerome william and charles mcgahee she. the judge said try again. three face counts of more than 2 dozen crimes connect to the robbery and murder of harris at the new haven lounge in september 2008. >>> in prins george's county, dozens of police cadets are investigated accused of cheating on academy tests. it includes 146 police officers from three class since july of last year. at least 34 officers are facing specific cheating allegations. the allegation is that the 34 were given answers by an instructor to a number of the tests administered prior to graduation. that raised suspicion among some officials. >> not only could it call into question the truth telling abilities but could call into question the legality of any arrest they might make. >> i am asking the public, the police to stand behind them and give them support while we try to figure out what's going on here. >> a list of the officers in question could be released soon and those officers will be taken off the streets as e
judge that they had been unable to agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins jerome william and charles mcgahee she. the judge said try again. three face counts of more than 2 dozen crimes connect to the robbery and murder of harris at the new haven lounge in september 2008. >>> in prins george's county, dozens of police cadets are investigated accused of cheating on academy tests. it includes 146 police officers from three class since july of last year....
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gary collins was convicted of the robberies. >> they -- agreed on a verdict but i think that some of the jurors in their heart of hearts were not satisfied with the outcome. >> reporter: prosecutors say think saw it defendly. they felt the dna found in a make used in the robbery was more than enough for a conviction for all three. >> our strongest piece of evidence was the dna evidence. it was the evidence that was challenged hardest by the defendant. it's good to know that the jurors listened to our explanation for all the evidence for the challenges to the evidence and they found without a doubt that we were right. >> reporter: harris's family said it should be a message to criminals that they will be caught and punished they need to think about the harm they cause. >> i'm wearing purple because ken said purple meant victory. i feel that today we have the victory. thank you. >> reporter: sentencing will be on october 19th. police in hartford are asking for your help looking for a suspect in a home invasion. the victim's help police have these drawings of two men in their late teens
gary collins was convicted of the robberies. >> they -- agreed on a verdict but i think that some of the jurors in their heart of hearts were not satisfied with the outcome. >> reporter: prosecutors say think saw it defendly. they felt the dna found in a make used in the robbery was more than enough for a conviction for all three. >> our strongest piece of evidence was the dna evidence. it was the evidence that was challenged hardest by the defendant. it's good to know that...
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trial told the judge they couldn't agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins, jer ohm william and charles mcgainy. harris was shot and killed outside the new haven lounge in september of 2008. >>> two minutes after five. it's a big question. is it free speech or harassment. this started with members of the westboro baptist church protesting outside a marine's funeral. the tactics are considered distasteful by most burks its their right for freedom of speech that's at issue. kelly swoope tell us if the case is precedent setting. >> reporter: outside the line snaked around the marble walls of the highest court. inside, justices listen to one of the most controversial cases, the supreme court has faced in years. ♪ america america ♪ >> reporter: chants and defensive signs disrupted the military funeral of lance corporal smaght you ed. >> ier in 2006 in westminster. his wear went to the supreme court seeking justice. >> it's something no family should have to live through. >> reporter: calling it harass mental better snyder sued protesters from the kansas based wes
trial told the judge they couldn't agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins, jer ohm william and charles mcgainy. harris was shot and killed outside the new haven lounge in september of 2008. >>> two minutes after five. it's a big question. is it free speech or harassment. this started with members of the westboro baptist church protesting outside a marine's funeral. the tactics are considered distasteful by most burks its their right for freedom of...
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williams were convicted of killing harris and rob be dozens of people at gunpoint. 22-year-old gary collins was acquitted of murder and convicted of the robberies. >> clearly they ultimately agreed on a verdict but i do think that some of the jurors in their heart of hearts were not satisfied with the outcome. >> . >> the prosecutors say they saw it differently. they felt that the dna found in a mask that was used in the robbery was more than enough in a conviction for all three even though the jury said otherwise. >> our strongest piece of evidence was the dna evidence. it was the evidence that was challenged most vigorously by the defense, and it's gratifying to know that the jurors listened to our explanation for all the evidence, for the challenges to the evidence, and they found without a doubt that we were right. >> harris' family says it should be a strong message to criminals in the city they will be caught and punished and they need to think about the harm they caused. >> i'm wearing purple today because kenneth said purple meant victory i feel that today we have the victory. thank
williams were convicted of killing harris and rob be dozens of people at gunpoint. 22-year-old gary collins was acquitted of murder and convicted of the robberies. >> clearly they ultimately agreed on a verdict but i do think that some of the jurors in their heart of hearts were not satisfied with the outcome. >> . >> the prosecutors say they saw it differently. they felt that the dna found in a mask that was used in the robbery was more than enough in a conviction for all...
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told the judge they had been unable to agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins jerome williams and charles mcgain he. the judge told the jurors to try again. they face counts on more than 2 dozen crimes corrected to the robbery and murder at the new haven lounge in september of 2008. >>> we got some good news for maryland schools. the state's graduation rate has gone up and the drop out rate has dropped. school superintendent says results show very few students have been prevented from graduates because of high school assessment requirements. in baltimore nearly 1500 fewer students dropped out of the hs last year than in 2007 cutting the district's drop out rate by more than half in the past three years to just 4%. >>> now the number of city high school students who passed the high school assessment test also increased by more than 500 from last year. >>> well, the controversial plan to bring another wal-mart to baltimore is still not decided. baltimore city council's land use committee met today. city council president who chairs the land use committee says a v
told the judge they had been unable to agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins jerome williams and charles mcgain he. the judge told the jurors to try again. they face counts on more than 2 dozen crimes corrected to the robbery and murder at the new haven lounge in september of 2008. >>> we got some good news for maryland schools. the state's graduation rate has gone up and the drop out rate has dropped. school superintendent says results show very few...
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told the judge they had been unable to agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins, jerome williams and charles mcgainy. judge told jurors to try again. three face counts of more than two dozen crimes connected to the robbery and murder of harris at the new haven lounge in september of 2008. >>> the plan to baled new shopping center fleet complete with a wal-mart and low' home improvement store cleared a hurdle last night. the city council land use committee voted to approve the 25th street station project. this will sit in remmington. some are concerned about the traffic but many people in the neighborhood support the plan but councilwoman who represents the area says the negotiations between the city, wal-mart and the developer over wages for future employees is still going on. q >> get more for the workers and residents, and we will continue to work on that. night done deal yet. >> business owners in the neighborhoods close to the neighborhoods are worried the stores may drive them out of business. the city council will vote on the proposal next month. >>> four m
told the judge they had been unable to agree on charges of first and second degree murder against gary collins, jerome williams and charles mcgainy. judge told jurors to try again. three face counts of more than two dozen crimes connected to the robbery and murder of harris at the new haven lounge in september of 2008. >>> the plan to baled new shopping center fleet complete with a wal-mart and low' home improvement store cleared a hurdle last night. the city council land use committee...
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. >>> at a:0 -- 5:03 jurors begin a third day of deliberation jerome william and gary collins accused of killing the former city councilman two years ago weasms shot to death in his car outside the new haven lounge in northeast baltimore. >>> one man who hopes to baled casino next to arundel mills mall says ads put out by opennant are dishonest. opponents have always said that the mall is no place for a casino. the new ad claims that if arundel county voters reject ballot question a then slots parlors would be built at laurel park racetrack but that's not true says the developer david cordish. because the penn national company owns 51% of laurel park and opted first casino in perryville we have been telling you about. the state slots law precents a -- prevents one company from holding two licenses. >> they are misrepresenting to the voters that they can if they turn down the malls, immediately go over to laurel. it is illegal you can't have two lies means will it require creative thinking maybe, but it is an alternate location among others throughout the county. >> if voters approve t
. >>> at a:0 -- 5:03 jurors begin a third day of deliberation jerome william and gary collins accused of killing the former city councilman two years ago weasms shot to death in his car outside the new haven lounge in northeast baltimore. >>> one man who hopes to baled casino next to arundel mills mall says ads put out by opennant are dishonest. opponents have always said that the mall is no place for a casino. the new ad claims that if arundel county voters reject ballot...
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the judge told the jurors to study the evidence at their disposal and defendants gary collins and charles mcgainy both to 22 williams 17. they face life in prison if convicted of the crimes. more than two dozen charges were filed against each of the suspects. >>> the man who hopes to baled casino next to arundel mills mall says ads put out by his opponents are not honest. opponents have always said that the mall is no place for a casino. the new ad claims if anne arundel county voters reject ballot question a on the november 2nd voting day a slots parlor would be built at laurel park racetrack. not true says developer david cordish. the company owns 50 5á 1% of laurel park and opened the first casino in perryville. now the state slots law prevents one company from holding two licenses. >> they are misrepresenting to the voters they can -- if they turn down the mills, immediately go over to laurel. it's illegal. you can't have two licenses. >> will it require creative thinking? maybe. but it is an alternate location among others throughout the county. >> if voters approve the zoning change
the judge told the jurors to study the evidence at their disposal and defendants gary collins and charles mcgainy both to 22 williams 17. they face life in prison if convicted of the crimes. more than two dozen charges were filed against each of the suspects. >>> the man who hopes to baled casino next to arundel mills mall says ads put out by his opponents are not honest. opponents have always said that the mall is no place for a casino. the new ad claims if anne arundel county voters...
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the judge told the jurors to studity evidence at their disposal and defendants gary collins and charles mcganey both 22 years old and william 17 face life in prison if convicted of the crimes. more than two dozen charges were filed against each man. >>> at 6 minutes after 6, the man who those baled casino next to the arundel mills mall says ads put out by opponents misrepresent the truth. opponents said the mall is no place for a casino. the new ad claims inform anne arundel county vote rears ject the ballot question a a parlor would be built at racetrack. not true says the david cordish. the penn national company owns 51% of laurel park and just opened maryland's first casino in perryville. the state slots law prevents one company from holding two licenses. >> they are misrepresenting to the voters that they can if they turn down the mills, immediately go over to laurel. it's illegal. you can't have two licenses. >> will it require creative thinking? maybe. but it is an alternate location among others throughout the county. >> if voters approve the zoning change on november 2nd cordish
the judge told the jurors to studity evidence at their disposal and defendants gary collins and charles mcganey both 22 years old and william 17 face life in prison if convicted of the crimes. more than two dozen charges were filed against each man. >>> at 6 minutes after 6, the man who those baled casino next to the arundel mills mall says ads put out by opponents misrepresent the truth. opponents said the mall is no place for a casino. the new ad claims inform anne arundel county...
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the jury did not believe another defendant, gary collins, fired the fatal shot. collins was found guilty of conspiracy, assault, and gun violations. >> i am happy about the verdict in terms of the not guilty on the felony murder and the second-degree murder. >> the surveillance video shows two men entering the jazz club after it was shot. they robbed the place, then ran down a hallway exiting out a back door. one argued that all three men were involved in the robbery. >> i honestly believe it wasn't a conspiracy to kill mr. harris. i think it was something that happened at the moment. >> this is one of the most high-profile cases because kenneth was a city councilman. it was personal to us all. we all felt it deeply. >> as jurors left the court, one commented saying, i'm glad it's over. the defense attorney said his client is disappointed, but it is clear jurors struggled with this case. >> what i watched was the whole panel while the verdict was being red. this took 15, 20 minutes to a half-hour, and there was clearly dissension. they ultimately agreed on the ver
the jury did not believe another defendant, gary collins, fired the fatal shot. collins was found guilty of conspiracy, assault, and gun violations. >> i am happy about the verdict in terms of the not guilty on the felony murder and the second-degree murder. >> the surveillance video shows two men entering the jazz club after it was shot. they robbed the place, then ran down a hallway exiting out a back door. one argued that all three men were involved in the robbery. >> i...
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the jury did not believe gary collins fired the fatal shot. he was found guilty of gun violations. >> i am happy in terms of not guilty of felony murder and secondly -- second-degree murder. >> the two men were wearing masks. beirut the place, and ran down a hallway -- they robbed the place, and ran down the hall. >> i honestly believe there was not a conspiracy to kill, but that it was something that occurred at the moment. >> this is one of the large, most high profile cases because of the fact that he was a city councilman. it was very personal to us all. we all felt it very deeply, but we do feel of the losses. >> as jurors left, only one comment, saying i am glad it is over. jerome bivens, the attorney, said the climate is disappointed, but it is clear he struggled with the case. >> i watched the panel while the verdict was being rendered. there was clearly descension. they ultimately agreed on a verdict, but i do think that some of the church, in their heart of hearts were not satisfied. >> prosecutors believe the strongest evidence was
the jury did not believe gary collins fired the fatal shot. he was found guilty of gun violations. >> i am happy in terms of not guilty of felony murder and secondly -- second-degree murder. >> the two men were wearing masks. beirut the place, and ran down a hallway -- they robbed the place, and ran down the hall. >> i honestly believe there was not a conspiracy to kill, but that it was something that occurred at the moment. >> this is one of the large, most high profile...
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the jury did not believe another defendant, care gary collins fired the fatal shot. collins was found guilty of conspiracy, assault, and gun violations. >> i'm happy about the verdict in terms of a not guilty on both the felony murder and the second-degree murder. >> the surveillance video shows two men wearing bandanas. they robbed the place and then ran down a hallway exiting out a back door. don giblin argued all three young men conspired to commit the robbery. y honestly believe there wasn't a spergs to kill mr. harris. i believe it was something that occurred only at the moment. >> this is one of the large, you know, most high profile cases. because kenneth was was a still councilman, we felt it deeply. >> as jurors left the court, only one commented saying "i'm glad its over." >> one defense attorney said it is clear the jury struggled with this case. >> i watched as they read the verdict. there was clearly dissension. they ultmitly agreed on a -- they agreed on a verdict, but i think some of the jurors were not satisfied with the outcome. >> prosecutors believ
the jury did not believe another defendant, care gary collins fired the fatal shot. collins was found guilty of conspiracy, assault, and gun violations. >> i'm happy about the verdict in terms of a not guilty on both the felony murder and the second-degree murder. >> the surveillance video shows two men wearing bandanas. they robbed the place and then ran down a hallway exiting out a back door. don giblin argued all three young men conspired to commit the robbery. y honestly believe...
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charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams are accused in the murder of paris which happened in 2008 -- in the murder of harris. the jury will continue their deliberations later this morning. >> police say a man was shot in the back. he was rushed to shock trauma. the homicide unit was called to a shooting in west baltimore. police are still gathering details on that shooting. 51 degrees on tv hill. coming up, an update on the alleged pirate murder. >> a complete stranger is credited with the arrest of an alleged child kidnapper. >> this is a live look of traffic on 95 in the catonsville area. area. it is fine right there. i'm frank kratovil and i approve this message. the real andy harris. his past attacks have been called deceptive, his new attack, false. harris voted for deregulation increasing our electric bills by 72% it's not surprising, harris always sides with the big guys. he opposes cracking down on wall street and supports tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. harris even opposed making big insurance cover cancer screenings. andy harris' extreme ideas w
charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams are accused in the murder of paris which happened in 2008 -- in the murder of harris. the jury will continue their deliberations later this morning. >> police say a man was shot in the back. he was rushed to shock trauma. the homicide unit was called to a shooting in west baltimore. police are still gathering details on that shooting. 51 degrees on tv hill. coming up, an update on the alleged pirate murder. >> a complete stranger is...
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gary collins, charles mcganey, jerome williams all face robbery and murder charges. the jury asked the judge how many guns were used in the robbery. none of the guns used have been recovered. for more on this case, you can visit the website, wbaltv.com. >> police should be required to turn over documents related to racial profiling allegations. the court ordered police department to handover about 10,000 documents relating to the driving while black the case. the naacp wants to inspect the documents to see if police are properly looking into this. these documents are confidential police records. >> now traffic pulse 11 and insta-weather plus together. >> good morning. we have a busy start to your morning commute. we have some good news on the west side at liberty. the accident has now been cleared from the left lane. 7 miles per hour as you approach liberty. watch for slow spots there. another area where you might find delays, seminary avenue because of a downed tree. york road is a better bet. another accident at delaney valley. we will let you know when we can conf
gary collins, charles mcganey, jerome williams all face robbery and murder charges. the jury asked the judge how many guns were used in the robbery. none of the guns used have been recovered. for more on this case, you can visit the website, wbaltv.com. >> police should be required to turn over documents related to racial profiling allegations. the court ordered police department to handover about 10,000 documents relating to the driving while black the case. the naacp wants to inspect...
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. >> gary collins is the only defendant of the three, to be found not guilty of murder. >> we still feel that justice was served. and this will not bring him back. so that's the pain that weewill have to live with for the rest of our lives. >> following the verdict. a judge released surveillance video of some of the final moments of harris' life. harris is seen here smiling and shaking hands inside of the new haven lounge. moments later, he was dead. shot out of the jazz clucks the three gunmen were about to rob. donald gibb blip prosecuted the case. >>i believe there was not a conspiracy to kill mr. harris. i honestly believe it was something that occurred only at the moment. >> jurors left court unwilling to dissuss their decision. >> i anticipated that they woold have acquitted all three defendants of the charges. >> defense attorneys say it is obvious that jurors were struggling. >> i do think that some of the jurors in their heart of hearts, were not satisfied with the outcome. >> it is believed dna clinched this case for the state. evidence defense attorneys fought hard to keep out
. >> gary collins is the only defendant of the three, to be found not guilty of murder. >> we still feel that justice was served. and this will not bring him back. so that's the pain that weewill have to live with for the rest of our lives. >> following the verdict. a judge released surveillance video of some of the final moments of harris' life. harris is seen here smiling and shaking hands inside of the new haven lounge. moments later, he was dead. shot out of the jazz...
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charles mcganey, gary collins and jerome williams all charged with fflony murder.s say the dna from a halloween mask used in the robbery is from williamss harris waa shot and killed inside of his car, as he tried to flee from the robbery, outside of the jazz club. asked a lot of good questions and i know that they are anxious to get the case -- >> but aatorneys representing of the afternnon questioning how police handled the case and also questioning the accuracy of the dnn evidence. >> the attorney representing charles mcganey told jurors, no one is disputing mr. hair's ddath was an unbelievable tragedy. arr guilty. the attorney representing williams said that because harris was a public official there is pressure on city hall to find suspects. jerome bifven's iijected race -nto the argument asking jurors remember the boy that called ú%lf, now theyysay the black guy did t jurors must consider 29 defendants. >>i hopp they are all careful. i hope they all are. that's part of being a jury. thh decision they make is iie a brain surgeon. it affects lives. >> liberation
charles mcganey, gary collins and jerome williams all charged with fflony murder.s say the dna from a halloween mask used in the robbery is from williamss harris waa shot and killed inside of his car, as he tried to flee from the robbery, outside of the jazz club. asked a lot of good questions and i know that they are anxious to get the case -- >> but aatorneys representing of the afternnon questioning how police handled the case and also questioning the accuracy of the dnn evidence....
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. >> reporter: jurors found a third defendant, gary collins, not guilty of the murder, but guilty of gun charges, related to the robbery. >> i would have thought if they found them not guilty of the felony murder, then they would have found him not guilty of the felonies attached to the murder. i guess not. >> reporter: prosecutors relied heavily on dna evidence, including that found on the discarded halloween mask. and the case was a bittersweet victory for outgoing state attorney pat jessamy. >> we're pleased that this chapter of our tragic city history has been closed. >> reporter: harris served on the city council for eight years, leaving after a fail run for council president. attorneys slow -- for the defendants vowed to appeal the verdict. >> i do believe that my clients have a very good basis for appeal. >> i am wearing purple today. because ken said purple means victory. and i feel that today, we have the victory. thank you. >> reporter: today, the mayor called harris a sincere public servanta and -- servant and a gentlemen. she also called for a moment of silence in his hon
. >> reporter: jurors found a third defendant, gary collins, not guilty of the murder, but guilty of gun charges, related to the robbery. >> i would have thought if they found them not guilty of the felony murder, then they would have found him not guilty of the felonies attached to the murder. i guess not. >> reporter: prosecutors relied heavily on dna evidence, including that found on the discarded halloween mask. and the case was a bittersweet victory for outgoing state...
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charles mctkpwaeurpby, gary collins and jerome williams are charged. one juror was dismissed. the reason for the dismissal was not given. the baltimore police officer who pleaded guilty to firing his service weapon after a bar fight has been sentenced to 18 months in prison. it was outside a canton bar last your. authorities say patrick dodson got into a fight and tpaoeurbd at the car they were driving off in. >> 5:12. a major announcement from fisher price, why it is recalling millions of products. >> the makers of tylenol and other medicines feel the heat at a hearing on capitol hill. what lawmakers wanted to know and why the f.d.a. was called into question. >> still recovering from the storms. we will update you on what closures we have in effect. >> sinkhole seems to be the big problem. >> you are right. a lot of flooding has subsided and we have a couple of downed trees but sinkholes in areas that both jen and kim have been talking about. downed trees warren at bosley all lanes closed. old bosley and delaney valley another downed tree. bel air from necker to route 43 shut
charles mctkpwaeurpby, gary collins and jerome williams are charged. one juror was dismissed. the reason for the dismissal was not given. the baltimore police officer who pleaded guilty to firing his service weapon after a bar fight has been sentenced to 18 months in prison. it was outside a canton bar last your. authorities say patrick dodson got into a fight and tpaoeurbd at the car they were driving off in. >> 5:12. a major announcement from fisher price, why it is recalling millions...
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. >> reporter: 22-year-old charles mcgainey and gary collins and 17-year-old jerome williams face a long list of charges for the september of 2008 murder of baltimore city councilman ken harris and the armed robbery of the haven lounge in northeast baltimore. harris stopped at the nightclub to borrow a cork screw and to use the bathroom when he walked inie robbery by three masked men. he try tode run and was shot in the back. prosecutors say dna evidence collected from a glove and halloween mask used during the robbery and found near the scene implicates the defendants. but the defense attorney argues that evidence against their clients is circumstantial and since no one could positively identify the men as the ones who committed the robbery. >> reporter: defense attorneys hope all of this waiting means some may have made their decisions. i'm not sure if they were deadlocked on all of the counts or some of the counts. obviously they're talking about. >> i can tell you yesterday after their question, where they detin tively said they were deadlocked, and no questions today, i'm more hopef
. >> reporter: 22-year-old charles mcgainey and gary collins and 17-year-old jerome williams face a long list of charges for the september of 2008 murder of baltimore city councilman ken harris and the armed robbery of the haven lounge in northeast baltimore. harris stopped at the nightclub to borrow a cork screw and to use the bathroom when he walked inie robbery by three masked men. he try tode run and was shot in the back. prosecutors say dna evidence collected from a glove and...
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lounge in 2008. 22-year-old charles macganey and jerome williams guilty on all charges. 22-year-old gary collins of murder but guilty of handgun violations. >>> a howard county woman is killed by a hit and run driver. hours later police found the person they believe responsible passed out behind the wheel. officers say kiela ryan of columbia was struck by a black suv near dupont circle in dc. a witness was able to get the suv's license plate when police say they arrived, they found jordina davidson passed out in her suv clearly intoxicated. she is charged with manslaughter. ryan was in dc celebrating her 24th birthday this week. >>> michelle scherer a chemistry teacher is teacher of the year. she received a cash prize and a new car. >>> we are proud to sponsor that as part of our continuing community commitment. >>> ,,,,,,,,,,,, >>> we have a great crowd outside this morning. welcome back to "the early show" i'm rebecca jarvis. >> i think i saw a bunch of lady gagas. >> i think you did. we'll have to check later. >> moments ago a statute of john lennon was unveiled in his home town liverpool, en
lounge in 2008. 22-year-old charles macganey and jerome williams guilty on all charges. 22-year-old gary collins of murder but guilty of handgun violations. >>> a howard county woman is killed by a hit and run driver. hours later police found the person they believe responsible passed out behind the wheel. officers say kiela ryan of columbia was struck by a black suv near dupont circle in dc. a witness was able to get the suv's license plate when police say they arrived, they found...
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. >>> 22-year-old charles mcgainey and gary collins and 17-year-old jerome williams face a long list of charges for the september of 2008 murder of baltimore city councilman ken harris and the armed robbery of the haven lounge in northeast baltimore. harris stopped at the nightclub to borrow a cork screw and to use the bathroom when he walked in on a robbery by three masked men. he tried to run and was shot in the back, devastating his family and the city. >> my husband was a true champion for justice. he kind the -- understood the meaning of community and people working together. i stand here on behalf of the harris family when i say that i want justice to prevail. >> reporter: prosecutor says dna collected from gloves and a halloween mask used during the robbery and found near the scene, implicates the defendants. but the defense attorneys argue that evidence against their clients was circumstantial, since police never found the gun that killed harris and that since no one at the nightclub could positive identify the defendants as the machine who committed -- men who committed the
. >>> 22-year-old charles mcgainey and gary collins and 17-year-old jerome williams face a long list of charges for the september of 2008 murder of baltimore city councilman ken harris and the armed robbery of the haven lounge in northeast baltimore. harris stopped at the nightclub to borrow a cork screw and to use the bathroom when he walked in on a robbery by three masked men. he tried to run and was shot in the back, devastating his family and the city. >> my husband was a...
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a third defendant, gary collins, was cleared of the murder but found guilty of gun and assault charges related to the robbery. >> i'm wearing purple today. because ken said that purple meant victory. and i felt that today, we have the victory. >> it was very personal to us all. we all felt it very deeply. but we do feel all of the losses. >> reporter: prosecutors relied on dna evidence, including what was found on that mask. the case left jurors deadlocked for a week. >> our ace in the hole, so to speak, was the concept of felony murders. which makes all murders first- degree murder. >>> harris was the member of city council for years. he lived and breathed baltimore. growing up in park heights and graduating from dunbar high and morgan state university. >> it's really tragic that for a man that spent so much time actually fighting and working against crime and fighting and working for you, to be a victim. >> reporter: lawyers for all of the defendants say their clients will appeal. >> he was shocked. he almost couldn't speak. and at the end, he did shake my hand and told me thank you.
a third defendant, gary collins, was cleared of the murder but found guilty of gun and assault charges related to the robbery. >> i'm wearing purple today. because ken said that purple meant victory. and i felt that today, we have the victory. >> it was very personal to us all. we all felt it very deeply. but we do feel all of the losses. >> reporter: prosecutors relied on dna evidence, including what was found on that mask. the case left jurors deadlocked for a week. >>...
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charles mcganee, gary collins and jeer home william!!!! jeromd with the death f en hhrris. was a picture on one oú the cor vei!surveillance video e lady who in my opinion wasú there, but even though the %-talk to somebody, he neverto bothered tt find out who the person was depicted in the video. >> reporter: ken harris was shot in his car as he tried to run away frro a robbery at the jazz club. jury must consider all 299 chaages against the defendant. if convicted all three men could face life in prison. >>> a police officer shoots a robbery suspect in northeast baltimore. it happened at at family dollar %-sommone came up to the officer and told him the store was being robbed. when the officer intertd building, he saw three masked men and ordered them to stop. one of the suspects turned thrrateningly toward the officeú who then fired his gun. that is suspeet had was hit nd3 taken to hoopital. another two got away. police arr still looking for them. -p>>> a baltimore city police officer who died in pennsylvania last week will be laid o rest.ú ú%neral services or james fouler
charles mcganee, gary collins and jeer home william!!!! jeromd with the death f en hhrris. was a picture on one oú the cor vei!surveillance video e lady who in my opinion wasú there, but even though the %-talk to somebody, he neverto bothered tt find out who the person was depicted in the video. >> reporter: ken harris was shot in his car as he tried to run away frro a robbery at the jazz club. jury must consider all 299 chaages against the defendant. if convicted all three men could...
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charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams face murder charges. charges.> your local auto service plus has projected what your car needs this time of year. lights!!! roll the film. sfx: film projector [announcer >> it's time to take advantage of our fall and winter maintenance specials. our certified technicians will get your car ready for the months ahead. and, you could save up to $65 dollars in additional rebates. only from auto service plus. service you can trust. >> wait 'til you see the sequel. >> now let's look at the forecast with tony pann. >> looks like we are off to a better start than yesterday. we still have a chance for a couple of rainshowers and the forecast. variable clouds and kind of crazy. high temperatures in the upper 50's and low 60s. for tomorrow, there could be a few of rainshowers and high temperatures in the upper 50s to around 60. mmuch better towards the end of the week. it looks like it will be a dry weekend. >> we will have another weather update at 9:25. two governors, two different approaches. even in good times bob ehrlich
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gary collins charles mcganey and jerome william face live if prison if convicted.gainst each man. hair weighs gunned down in a holdup at new haven lounge. >>> we will snd you back to "good morning, america" hope to see you in a half-hour for good morning, maryland at 9. if not, have a wonderful day. >>> diane lane, bigger than life on our jumbotron. she is starring in the remarkable true story about triple crown winner, secretariat.rue story about a real feel-good movie. you'll see diane lane live in our studio. we say good morning, america. alongside george, i'm robin. >> this is a treat. i am so exided. so inspiring. >>> jane seymour will be here. she has a new book out called "among angels." it's personal stories that might help people getting thaw tough time. >>> and emeril lagasse here to cook up a feast. he was working a little earlier. very shy, isn't he? he's very shy. always great to have emeril here. we're going to cook up something good. >>> now, sam, with the weather. you're not going to surprise us this time, right? you're right there? >> i'm right her
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prosecutors say charles mcgainy, gary collin and jerome williams robbed the lounge and fired the shot that killed the former council member. the defense hopes that additional dna evidence found will rule in their favor. >> there's this stigma attached to it that it's the be all, it's the scientific method. but you see on the mixtures it's not definitely one person. it could be up to three, four, five, six people. so i hope the jury realized that. >> for more on the ken harris trial, log on to our website and click on local news. >> stay with us. there's still much more news ahead. the jersey pless have named a suspect in the seaton hall murder. >> a live picture outside. your instant weather forecast your instant weather forecast next. oh, yeah. (announcer) gold bond ultimate soothing fragrance free lotion. soothes and calms irritation. fragrance free gold bond ultimate soothing. (together) this stuff really works! (sfx: coach's whistle) "the car coach" - lauren fix. >> in case your car repair shop hasn't noticed - there's been a shift. sfx: shifting. over 70% of women make the car re
prosecutors say charles mcgainy, gary collin and jerome williams robbed the lounge and fired the shot that killed the former council member. the defense hopes that additional dna evidence found will rule in their favor. >> there's this stigma attached to it that it's the be all, it's the scientific method. but you see on the mixtures it's not definitely one person. it could be up to three, four, five, six people. so i hope the jury realized that. >> for more on the ken harris trial,...
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collins was in the courtroom today. he joins us live outde d.c. superior court with more on day one. pat? >> reporter: the prosecutor said the cops were obsessed with gary condit that it derailed the investigation into chandra levy's murder for years and years. chancera's mother, susan ley, at superior court facing the accused killer of her daughter for the first time. can you give me your thoughts? >> no, thank you. the weather is nice today. >> reporter: can you tell us what you think of the opening statements? >> no. i can't make any comments. >> reporter: or guandique? >> no thank you. >> reporter: when chandra went missing in may 2001, susan levy won't a crusade to focus on the case and force police to search for her daughter. in court, prosecutor amanda haynes described chandra as attractive and vivacious 24-year-old woman. but she said chandra had a secret. an affair with gary condit, a married congressman, 30 years her nior. the prosecutor haynes said in some ways, law enforcement let miss levy and h family down. they were so distracted by the juicy story of the congressman and the intern tha it led to the ruination of his career and derailed th
collins was in the courtroom today. he joins us live outde d.c. superior court with more on day one. pat? >> reporter: the prosecutor said the cops were obsessed with gary condit that it derailed the investigation into chandra levy's murder for years and years. chancera's mother, susan ley, at superior court facing the accused killer of her daughter for the first time. can you give me your thoughts? >> no, thank you. the weather is nice today. >> reporter: can you tell us what...
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gary black, who will open this discussion, having watched so much of our political life in the u.s. senate. we are very grateful to the hon. susan collins of maine, who offers some concluding reflections, joined by presidential historian, michael beck loss, who will put this in the context of someone who will give us hope. i hope. [laughter] in the spirit of the cathedral, we do not intend to widen the gulf that seems to be fixed between the parties. one person i spoke to this evening said -- i bet they will be nicer tonight than they really are. [laughter] we will see how it goes. thank you for being with us, it will be quite an exploration this evening and i look forward to being a part of it. [applause] >> thank you. let me express, on behalf of my sisters, brothers, my parents, and all of their friends who made this program possible, our great thanks to all of you. to have so many people joining us tonight is gratifying. to have this beautiful, powerful place with discussions that are serious, contemplate of, thoughtful and challenging. it occurs to me that there are over 800 people here tonight, which is so exciting. that is what w
gary black, who will open this discussion, having watched so much of our political life in the u.s. senate. we are very grateful to the hon. susan collins of maine, who offers some concluding reflections, joined by presidential historian, michael beck loss, who will put this in the context of someone who will give us hope. i hope. [laughter] in the spirit of the cathedral, we do not intend to widen the gulf that seems to be fixed between the parties. one person i spoke to this evening said -- i...