gary dobson was 17 at the time. david norris was 16. gary dobson is standing. we think the seven members of his family are in the public gallery looking down on very dobson, who for 18 years has denied he was anywhere near the attacked a minimum of 15 years for gary dobson -- anywhere near the attack. a minimum of 15 years for dairy dobsgary dobson. it could be a little different for david norris. he was 16 at the time. david norris was pretty brutally beaten up. he was given a broken nose and broken ribs. he said his first marriage broke up under the strain of notoriety after all these years. they were named by a neighbor's who ran into the police -- by neighbors who ran to the police. the police incompetence has been a part of the story. these men have been under this light for 18 years. the breaking news. gary dobson has been sentenced to a minimum of 15 years for the murder of stephen lawrence. david norris, 14 years and three months. i think i'm hearing an adjustment to that. 15 years and two months for gary dobson. let's be absolutely accurate here. david

gary dobson is already serving a five-year sentence. david norris was threatened -- charged with threatening behavior. his lawyer says he has been a sit-in in prison. this was a racially motivated attack but the murder took place before the law was made. these pictures show the dobson was 17. as a juvenile, they will receive lower sentences now. it is expected the murderers could sell -- serve up to 15 years before being considered for parole. >> the author of a book called, "the case for stephen lawrence" gave me his thoughts. >> they were under age. they were in their teens when this happened. you have to make allow for that. we do not give long sentences to teenagers, to kids. >> stephen lawrence's mother said it cannot be a case of moving on. what is your view of fell level of racism -- of the level of racism? >> i think the lesson for the stephen lawrence case, which we were taught by the lawrence inquiry, you cannot close the book on that and say we can move on. let's forget it. one of the big changes was that we understood, we ha

david norris and gary dobson are detained at her majesty's pleasure. steven's mother bridge the end of this trial satisfied by what justice had delivered, to a point. >> the sentence is -- it may be quite low. the judge's hands are tied. i am very grateful. >> the court was packed. the convicted men said nothing when the sentences were handed down. afterwards, there was a shot from a supporter in the public gallery. the judge said, is a totally innocent 18-year-old was brutally cut down in the street in front of eyewitnesses by a racist gang. he told the two men, they may not have held the knife, but that did not matter. your group was prepared to attack in the way in which you did. the pair were juvenile is when they murdered stephen lawrence, when police put them under surveillance. under law, they received lower sentences to reflect their ages at the time. several years were added to the total because of the racist nature of the crime. the judge also said he hoped the conviction of norris and dobson would not result in the case file began closed. ou

david norris and gary dobson are detained at her majesty's pleasure. steven's mother bridge the end of this trial satisfied by what justice had delivered, to a point. >> the sentence is -- it may be quite low. the judge's hands are tied. i am very grateful. >> the court was packed. the convicted men said nothing when the sentences were handed down. afterwards, there was a shot from a supporter in the public gallery. the judge said, is a totally innocent 18-year-old was brutally cut down in the street in front of eyewitnesses by a racist gang. he told the two men, they may not have held the knife, but that did not matter. your group was prepared to attack in the way in which you did. the pair were juvenile is when they murdered stephen lawrence, when police put them under surveillance. under law, they received lower sentences to reflect their ages at the time. several years were added to the total because of the racist nature of the crime. the judge also said he hoped the conviction of norris and dobson would not result in the case file began closed. ou

david norris and gary dobson were detained at her majesty's pleasure. it will not be released until late 2020's but the earliest. -- at the earliest. stephen lawrence's mother reached the end of the trial satisfied by what justice had delivered, to a point. >> since this has happened, it may be quite low, but at the same time their hands are tied. for that, as much as he could do, i am very grateful. >> the court was crack -- was packed. the defendants said nothing while the sentences were handed down, though there was a shot from the gallery, "shame on all of you." he said they were totally innocent 18-year-old youth on the threshold of a promising life cut down on the streets in front of eyewitnesses' by a racist, thuggish gang. the judge told the men, your group if not actively seeking out a victim was prepared if opportunity arose to attack in the way which you did. they were juvenile when they were murdered steve lawrence and when the police put them under surveillance. under law, the received lower sentences to reflect their ages at the time, but

. >> gary dobson is convicted of murder following the scrapping of the so-called double jeopardy rulehe was acquitted in the 1990's. david norris had never been charged. forensic scientists began a cold case review. clovis taken from -- clothes ephen were st subjected to months of tests. >> that examined clothing fibers and the bags that were in. on this jacket and his cardigan, fibers which matched stephen's jeans. on these from norris's house, a match to dna. >> there was a stain on the back of the color, a blood stain that would not be apparent to the naked eye. >> whose blood was it? it was on gary dobson's color. -- collar. >> it came from stephen lawrence. >> at last, fibers and hair length them to the killer -- killing. despite surveillance pictures of the subjects together, they had to be released. detectives tried placing a covert camera in dboson' -- dobson's flat. the subjects were obsessed with knives. [unintelligible] months turned into years. the parents tried to prosecute three of the suspects themselves. the case collapsed. the man refused to answer questions at the 19

gary dobson and david norris were sent to prison for 15 and 14 years respectively for the murder of stephen lawrence. >> for the parents of stephen lawrence, justice was delivered today but not in its entirety. they welcome the sentences even though they know it is not over yet. they will now laid down in their beds and know that they're responsible for the death of my son. >> it might be quite logical not quite low, but the same time, their hands were tied. -- it might be quite low, but at the same time, their hands were tied. >> the court was packed. seats were given up for some of florence's family. when the sentence was handed down, nothing was said by the convicted men. for somewere given noup family.hen lawrence's he was brutally cut down in the street by a racist gang. the pair were juveniles when they murdered stephen. under law, they were sent to is not as the mature men that they are now but the teenagers that they were then. extra time was added because of the racial nature. the resulting sentences are shorter than the 30 years a modern adult murderer could have received. the jud

. -- gary dobson was convicted of murder. david norris had never been charged. this is part of a cold case review. clothes and evidence were subjected to months of modern forensic tests. clothing fibers were collected from the garments and the backs iran. on this colorful jacket taken fibersobson's house, which matched stevens closed. -- clothing fibers were collected from the garments. >> there was a stain on the back of the caller. it would not have been in the pants. >> whose blood was it? >> the dna indicates that that came from stephen lawrence. >> it was a breakthrough. fibers and hairs linked the two suspects to the killing. despite these police surveillance pictures, all of the suspects had to be released. the detectives tried fitting a covert camera. they watched the group of friends and their obsession with knives. the months turned into years. nts 995, stephen's paretn tried to prosecute three of the men themselves. the case fell through. there was a 1999 inquiry which produced a report critical of the police. the case remains open. nine people are st

david norris and gary dobson were detained at her majesty's pleasure. they will not be released until late 2020's at the earliest. reached the end of the trial satisfied by what justice had delivered, to a point. >> the sentence that happened is may be quite low, but at the same time they have spent time. for that, i was very grateful. >> the court was packed. the convicted men said nothing what the sentences were handed down, though afterwards there was a shot from the supporter of the public gallery, "shame on all of you." he said they were innocent youth on the threshold of youth cut out in the street in front of eyewitnesses' by a racist, thuggish gang. he told the two men they may not have held the knife, but that did not matter. they sought out the victim and attacked the way they did. but they were juvenile when they murdered stephen lawrence and when the police put them under surveillance. under law, the received lower sentences to reflect their ages at the time, but several years were added to the totals because of the racist nature of the crim

gary dobson and deary foris were convicted in 1993 for the killing. they had a second trial after new forensic evidence was uncovered and the trial endyesterday. >>> supporters of argentine president are holding a vigil ahead of her surgery for thyroid cancer. they started to gather outside the hospital where she is staying and public squares across the country and will stay until she is out of surgery. doctors say her operation is relatively routine and they do predict a speedy recovery. >>> a serve-- surfer survived a horrific attack. he was on the beach when the sun was sheeting when he shark jumped up and took a chunk out of his arm. >> i see blood all over the man's surfboard on the sand but likely his arm and we could see the bone and arteries. >> the man was rushed to the hospital and is he can spbtded to be -- expected to be fine. authorities want surfers to avoid surfing at night especially around dusk because that's when sharks like to feed. >>> 90,000 bees found in the ceiling of a home and why the growing problem is becoming more dangerous

gary dobson will be in jail for a minimum of 15 years, two months.rris, some 11 months less. both mandatory life terms, both lessened because they were juveniles at the time. >> one of my greatest hopes is that these people have now realized that they've been found out. and it is now going to go and lay down in their bed and think that they were the ones responsible for the death of my son. and they're going to give up the rest of the people so when i come out here in a year's time, and talk to you people again. >> reporter: in sentencing, mr. justice treacy said a totally innocent 18-year-old youth on the threshold of a life was brutally cut down in the street by a racist, thuggish gang. he went on to say the way the attack took place strongly suggests to me that your group, if not actively out a victim, was prepared if the opportunity arose to attack in the way in which you did. he also remarked, it did not matter if either of them had not held the knife, adding that neither had shown the slightest regret or remorse. from almost day one, these five

that hardly subscribes to the beliefs of gary bauer and james dobson and others. >> and has planned parenthood getting one of the seats on that commission. >> how is that consistent with conservative thinking? romney is a conservative? >> romney is definitely a conservative. >> how did he get elected in massachusetts then? >> because he believed in fiscal responsibility, and you've got a blue collar electorate in massachusetts which often turns to conservatives who believe in fiscal responsibility. reagan ran fairly well in massachusetts, if you'll recall. >> yes, he did. >> because he believed in blue collar ideas which are basically fiscal conservatism. >> chris, we have a chat running in sunday's paper with the positions of all the candidates on -- on an awful lot of these issues, and i was struck by the fact that on paper there's no difference between and among candidates. they all say the same things, but i think you've got to go to the record, again, what has romney done that's really conservative versus what gingrich has done that is really conservative? >> would you recommend that your

weekend a group of conservative power brokers, i really love this story, including james dobson, tony perkins and gary bower are going to have a big shindig down in texas trying to find a consensus candidate, according to politico. in other words, they don't want romney. their objective seems pretty clear to stop the guy from massachusetts. and after last night, rick santorum could be their man. i'm joined tonight by john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation" magazine. i know you're still doing work in iowa deciphering through all this. i want to focus now, as i said, moving forward, and this attitude that newt gingrich, i mean, he's the new pit bull. is newt gingrich, is he ready to go after mitt romney point by point? what do you think? >> oh, there's simply no question he's ready to go after him. newt gingrich in addition to buying a full-page ad in the "manchester union leader," the biggest circulation newspaper in new hampshire, detailing his differences with romney, did a round of all the conservative talk radio shows, hannity and others, today, to do exactly what we're talking about

you talk about james dobson and gary bower and the others, and the american family association.ompare notes and say here's what i like about this guy and this is what i like about gingrich and go through the list to see if they can reach a consensus. i have been told they don't expect to reach any consensus. the good news for mitt romney, he just let's everybody split the difference. >> i want an honest assessment as to whether or not the mormon factor continues to play a factor with christian evangelicals or if mitt romney has gotten past that? >> it's a two-fold answer. there's a small segment of evangelicals that won't vote for a mormon whatsoever. this has been vetted, if you will, in 2008. that's why mitt romney is doing better in 2012, the mormon question was vetted in the process in 2008, and all the flip-flopping we have seen was vetted in 2008, and now he doesn't have to go through it again, and gingrich and santorum and perry and bachmann, they have to go through it because they never ran for president before. >> rick santorum, he is emerging as a leading social conser

now, whether that's going to coalesce and bring together james dobson and gary bower, who was behind santorum, and tony perkins at the family research council. these folks know how to raise money. they'll find enough conservatives out there. and that's why tonight, when you've got jim demint saying what romney is saying, that's almost a signal. you know, maybe we better lessen our pushback on this. so it's not the kind of drama and love story that chris matthews likes, but it's a new kind of drama that's unfolding in this modern day politics. >> steve, when you look at this, do you see game over? >> i think it's getting pretty close. money matters, but momentum matters more. and mitt romney has all the momentum in the race. since 1980, south carolina, the winner has gone on to be the republican nominee. if mitt romney goes 3-0, it's very difficult to see how he would lose florida. and certainly if he wins four of the first four primary contests, whether these guys are in the race, out of the race, suspended or not, he'll be the nominee of the party. so he's got all the momentum and h

more than 150 evan yell cal christian leaders, including james dobson, tony perkins and gary bauer are paul pressler in tiny britainham texas. they warned the media to stay away. >> it's not a bash mitt weekend, but having said that, it's clear this meeting wouldn't be taking place if social conservatives were comfortable with mitt romney. >> tony perkins helped organize the meetings. >> every campaign has been given the opportunity to provide a surrogate to sp el to the group. it's a desire to not see what happened in 2008 repeated, and that is conservatives were kind of segmented. >> reporter: four years ago divided social conservative vote paved the way for mccain to win the nomination, a candidate they weren't crazy about. 2012 it's deja vu, split between rick santorum, rick perry and newt gingrich. >> these kinds of meetings have occurred before in previous presidential elections. sometimes they've been able to coalesce around a particular candidate, sometimes not. >> reporter: john green is a political scientist from the university of akron. >> sometimes it takes weeks or month,

some of the people at the meeting will be james dobson, john wild men, gary bauer -- several of these people met with rick perry in the past. and want to get your thoughts on this consensus canada and the group beating. guest: fair enough. i do not want to be a political junkie and try to handicap what this means for that. and i know you have guys that do this all the time. stayingve rick perry's in the race probably does hurt rick santorum. i will not speak for individuals, but those that -- or anybody but but mitt romney realizes if they do not get more of these kids out of the race sooner rather than later, that governor romney will be the nominee. it may be sooner rather than later. it has been my experience that this kind of thing usually does not work. this kind of thing usually does not work. candidates that run for any office do not duet because they want to be part of a team -- want to be part of a team. i have never discouraged or tried to talk somebody out of running for any political office. you cannot manipulate the system that way. i wish these individuals well. i do not

. >> although gary bower says that it's not an anti-mitt summit, just a way to all get together. james dobsonmily and he's the one that put this together and don wildman is the one time chairman of the american family association and you know gary bower has been on here a lot. >> he has been and ran for president once. >> right. we'll see what happens next weekend in texas. >> meanwhile, is the party over? some say the grassroots group has gone bust. the tea party? really? we'll debate that coming up next. >> then how about some barbecued shrimp for breakfast? emril legassi is here to show off some of his classic cajun cooking. looking good. sweetie i think you need a little extra fiber in your diet. carol. fiber makes me sad. oh common. and how can you talk to me about fiber while you are eating a candy bar? you enjoy that. i am. [ male announcer ] fiber beyond recognition. fiber one. impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reas